Feds ban Assisted openers and Flick knives

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You guys Stateside need to lobby like crazy so you don't end up with stupid and draconian laws like we have in
Oz. I'm sure the "Right to keep and bear arms" includes knives - but
'high crime areas' in Oz??? - I'm confused on this one.

1) Why are you going into what you consider a 'high crime area' in the first place if you feel that fearful of assault that you carry a combat knife for SD - fully knowing this is illegal? Seems to me you're the one that's looking for a fight.

2) What do you consider 'high crime areas'? Redfern? KingsX? St Kilda? Punchbowl/Cabramatta? Hindley Street? The Valley? I've lived/worked/shopped/dined in these and a lot seedier places so not sure where you're talking about.

3) Use that knife in a fight and I don't fancy your chances before a judge. GBH and AWADW as a minimum - at least manslaughter if you kill someone and you're going to need the services of a six figure QC to avoid worse.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense that a lot of you Aussies are somewhat conflicted about your laws. On one hand you mention "stupid and draconian laws", but also seem to have an overwhelming compulsion to obey anyway...ie, "fully knowing this is illegal", etc.
Are you saying that there are NO "high crime" areas in Oz? Seems like I read a report that crime went up in Oz after Howard implemented his draconian gun laws...same-same for the UK.
I've known several Aussies who griped about the knife and gun laws but, at the same time, thought they were a good idea !
I'm not knocking Oz nor the fine folks who live there, but I'm just somewhat confused about the seeming 'double-think' regarding your laws. ?? :)
 
I editted my post due to the link correction noted below.
 
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Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, the first email contained some corrupted links. Here's a copy with, hopefully, all good links:

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The U.S. Government Is Trying To Take Away Your Pocket Knives!

The U.S. Government is after your Pocket Knives! In a sneak attack, U.S. Customs has proposed revoking earlier rulings that assisted opening knives are not switchblades. The proposal would not only outlaw assisted opening knives, its overly broad new definition of a switchblade would also include all one-handed opening knives and most other pocket knives!

Knife Rights is geared up to help win this fight, but we cannot do it without your help, your emails, your letters. The fight can only be won if we raise enough hell that they are convinced they will not get away with this. YOU are the most effective arrow in our quiver, the most powerful cartridge in our gun.
Knife Rights Chairman Doug Ritter will be Tom Gresham's guest this Sunday on Tom's nationally syndicated Gun Talk radio show. The topic will be this Customs' proposal. Doug will explain the 63-page document, discuss the potential ramifications for law-abiding knife owners in the U.S., as well as how you can help Knife Rights defeat this over-reaching by Customs.
Doug will appear as the first guest, starting at 1:00 PM Central Time. Some stations, including Sirius/XM satellite, carry the show on a delayed basis. Check at www.GunTalk.com for times and stations.
Read on for the whole story and how you can make a difference and save your Knife Rights.

Knife Rights was formed three years ago because we knew it was only a matter of time before there would be a major attempt to take away our knives, as has occurred in England, Europe and elsewhere. Up until now, the battles have been fought at state and local legislative levels, such as the recent scare in Hawaii: <http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=72&Itemid=29>. It has been a battle of a million little cuts. Little did we guess that the first major battle at a national level wouldn't come head on, but with government bureaucrats trying to sneak it by everyone, avoiding a more conventional legislative battle, which they'd likely lose.

U.S. Customs & Border Protection (CBP) just a bit over two weeks ago on May 21st proposed revoking earlier rulings that assisted opening knives are not switchblades. The proposed new rule would not only outlaw assisted opening knives, its new broad definition of a switchblade would also include one-handed opening knives and could be easily interpreted to cover most other pocket knives, even simple old-fashioned slip-joints. At this point, one-hand opening and assisted opening knives are 80% of U.S. knife sales (per AKTI industry sources). For most knife companies, they represent all or the majority of their product lines. These are the knives Americans take with them to work and to play everyday.

Note, please, that CBP's interpretation of the Federal Switchblade Act forms the basis for national, state and even local law and judicial rulings in many cases. This ruling by CBP is NOT limited to just imports. This WILL affect virtually everyone who carries a pocket knife, no matter the type!

CBP came up with this absurd proposal and then tried slipping it into their regular notices, apparently hoping nobody would become aware of until too late. They provided for only the minimum 30-day comment period, and there's no email comments allowed. Obviously, they'd just as soon not hear from us. We're intending to disappoint them in that.

CBP's proposal which would have effects far beyond that suggested in the title of the proposal, "Proposed Revocation Of Ruling Letters And Revocation Of Treatment Relating To The Admissibilty [sic] Of Certain Knives With Spring-Assisted Opening Mechanisms," which would be bad enough even if it only did that. However, this proposal would make it illegal for the estimated 40 million law-abiding Americans who own and carry pocket knives to do so. It would also cost this country dearly in destroyed businesses, lost jobs and ruined families. Thousands of jobs and billions of dollars would be lost. CBP clearly appears to not have considered the consequences of this unnecessary, inappropriate and even illegitimate action. Since CBP is not required to consider the effects of their actions, only Congress or the courts can rein them in. If left to the courts, the industry and our rights will be devastated and America will lose much, regardless of who wins the legal fight.

The definition of what is a switchblade has been clear and settled for the most part since the Federal Switchblade Act was passed in 1958 and has been reaffirmed by many years of legal decisions. The Act is very clear that a switchblade must have an activating button on the handle. Without a button, it is not a switchblade and this has been upheld by numerous cases on many levels over the years. CBP's convoluted reasoning in their proposal to reach back beyond the law and to expand their regulatory purview by rationalizing "intent" as justification for this new interpretation is a stretch, at best, and illegitimate at worst. It simply doesn't meet the common sense test.

CBP's reaching beyond the clear language of the Act in making this proposal is particularly questionable and irreconcilable because it flies in the face of virtually unanimous recent state court rulings (including several cases in California, Texas, Illinois and Michigan) where the issue of assisted-opening knives has already been decided in favor of the existing clear interpretation, that they are not a switchblade. They cherry-picked a few bizarre and untypical rulings from New York state from some years ago to provide support for their proposal, ignoring the many more recent rulings.

For CBP to ignore this overwhelming existing body of law is inexcusably arrogant and borders on a reckless abuse of their power. For them to suddenly do an about face is akin to moving the goalposts after starting the game, and then completely changing the rules of the game besides, making every play ever devised illegal.

Beyond that, their significantly expanded interpretation of gravity and inertia knives, also included in the Act, would clearly make one-hand opening pocket knives illegal and according to industry sources, 80% of pocket knives sold today are one-hand or assisted openers. Beyond even that clearly excessively broad seizure of authority, we know from past unfortunate experience in many cases over the years that this sort of misinterpretation leads to potential abuse by law enforcement where even the most simple and innocuous Boy Scout folding pocket knife can be opened one-handed by use of dangerous and unsafe tricks, so that these too would be covered under this expanded federal definition. This ruling would therefore make almost all pocket knives subject to being considered switchblades.

The impact of this CBP ruling would go far beyond just imported knives because this "agency determination" will be used by domestic courts and law enforcement to determine what is a "switchblade" under both federal and state laws. Many states do not themselves define switchblades and simply rely on the federal definition and interpretation, which is only found in rulings by CBP. Since interstate commerce in switchblades is prohibited, except under very limited conditions, simply driving across a state line with a pocket knife in their possession would make someone a federal felon.

Knifemaking in the U.S. has enjoyed a renaissance in the past decade or two as the genius and innovation of American knifemakers, designers and manufacturers has created a booming and vital American industry with thousands of exciting new knife designs that improve the function, utility and safety of the lowly pocket knife, one of man's oldest and most useful tools. Millions of Americans have responded to this innovation, creating a vibrant industry. For the most part these are family owned businesses that are American success stories, the core of America's economic strength. This proposal by CBP would destroy all that for no good reason. They don't need a bailout; they just need to be left alone to prosper.

The knife industry tells us they employ nearly 24,000 Americans and have a nearly 6 billion dollar annual impact on our nation&#8217;s economy. If this proposed ruling is allowed to stand, thousands of jobs will be lost at the direct cost of billions of dollars. That doesn't even begin to cover the enormous cost to the country of those that would become unemployed, the ruined businesses, foreclosed homes, years of litigation by both industry against CBP and who knows how many criminal trials and appeals as law-abiding Americans fight this abusive attempt to take away their knives, as well as many other devastating unforeseen effects of this ill-considered proposal. Thousands of American citizens&#8217; lives would be ruined. Millions of Americans would be impacted. The cost would be tragically huge, more so because it is neither necessary, nor desired by the vast majority of Americans.

We are in for the fight of our lives to save our Pocket Knives and our essential Knife Rights. We can only win if you do your part. You have to write!

Our first step is to convince CBP that we deserve more time to respond. Knife Rights has sent a letter to CBP requesting an extension to the ridiculously short 30-day comment period:

http://www.kniferights.org/CBP-extention_request_FINAL.pdf

We need your help to make an impression on CBP. They figured that they could slip this by everyone with little notice. We need to let CBP know that they are not going to get away with it; that we noticed and we are not happy and that we will not stand by while they take away our pocket knives.

We need you to write CBP NOW! Their 30 day deadline is fast approaching and these letters must go via postal mail (or Fedex/UPS). Click below for a Model Letter you can send to CBP. You MUST write TODAY!

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=29
or
http://tinyurl.com/q7w8tm

However, the reality is that CBP isn't required to listen to our demands, but they do have to answer to Congress. After you send a letter to CBP, giving them notice they are not going to sneak this by us, the next step is to inundate Congress with emails and letters.

If you want to be free to carry your pocket knives in the future, you need to write your Senators and Representative TODAY! Click below for a Model Letter you can send to Members of Congress. Only your efforts will stop this and save our Knife Rights!

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=78&Itemid=29
or
http://tinyurl.com/qqvmns

We have prepared a Communicating with Congress page that includes tips to maximize the effect of your letters. This page was developed after consultation with experts who understand exactly how to get your message across to Members of Congress. We have also included easy links to find your Representatives, if you don't know who they are or the best way to reach them. How much of an impact your communication has can be significantly impacted by how and what you write. Our aim is to help maximize your impact so your Members of Congress actually listen and do something. PLEASE, click the link below and take a few minutes to review our Communicating with Congress page BEFORE you act.

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=29
or
http://tinyurl.com/opbyt2

Help us stop this ill-conceived effort by CBP before it puts thousands of more Americans out of work and destroys one of America&#8217;s oldest industries, causing great harm to our nation and many American families. Help us stop these faceless, heartless bureaucrats from destroying our essential American freedoms. This nation has many more important issues that need our attention and energy in this time of crisis.

NOW IS THE TIME WE MUST DO BATTLE! WE HAVE NO TIME TO WASTE.

GET ON YOUR COMPUTERS AND SEND THESE LETTERS and EMAILS.

Write Customs & Border Patrol NOW!

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=79&Itemid=29
or
http://tinyurl.com/q7w8tm

Write your Senators and Representative TODAY!

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=78&Itemid=29
or
http://tinyurl.com/qqvmns

Join Knife Rights and help support the fight to keep your Knife Rights!

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_acctexp&task=register
or
http://tinyurl.com/qnu988

DO IT NOW! DO IT TODAY! DON'T WAIT!

Thank you very much for your support!


Doug Ritter
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There should be some consideration that a sticky be put up forum wide about this. I know a lot don't pay attention to stickies but maybe more will see it there then just in the knife law forum. Thanks for the info and links Mr. Ritter.
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense that a lot of you Aussies are somewhat conflicted about your laws. On one hand you mention "stupid and draconian laws", but also seem to have an overwhelming compulsion to obey anyway...ie, "fully knowing this is illegal", etc.
Are you saying that there are NO "high crime" areas in Oz? Seems like I read a report that crime went up in Oz after Howard implemented his draconian gun laws...same-same for the UK.
I've known several Aussies who griped about the knife and gun laws but, at the same time, thought they were a good idea !
I'm not knocking Oz nor the fine folks who live there, but I'm just somewhat confused about the seeming 'double-think' regarding your laws. ?? :)


OK - I can understand why there's some ambiguity. The Oz laws are draconian and stupid because it places so many unnecessary restrictions on decent, law-abiding and upright citizens (the vast majority). We are p!ssed off by them but nevertheless comply because we are law abiding while knowing full well that these laws have done nothing to reduce violent crimes - just introduced unnecessary cost, complicated red tape and introduced a whole bunch of ill-conceived, inconsistent and illogical restrictions - like banning pump action shotguns but allowing pump action centrefire rifles????

What we wanted was appropriate penalties for the lawbreakers - what we got were restrictive and ineffective laws that only penalised the law-abiding.

Yes we do have places and activities that seem to have a higher incidence of robberies and assaults, but statistically it's the same as sky-diving - you're still many times more likely to get injured in a vehicle accident getting there & back. Going armed with a KaBar is more indicative of an individual's paranoia and personal agenda than anything else. (If a person's that fearful of assault just what is the attraction to go there? Is he intending to engage in an illegal activity?). :jerkit: Carrying a large fixed knife in public let alone for SD was already illegal before Howard and whether or not a person agrees with this law, flaunting it is only going to result in more restrictions for the rest of us in years to come.
 
OK - I can understand why there's some ambiguity. The Oz laws are draconian and stupid because it places so many unnecessary restrictions on decent, law-abiding and upright citizens (the vast majority). We are p!ssed off by them but nevertheless comply because we are law abiding while knowing full well that these laws have done nothing to reduce violent crimes - just introduced unnecessary cost, complicated red tape and introduced a whole bunch of ill-conceived, inconsistent and illogical restrictions - like banning pump action shotguns but allowing pump action centrefire rifles????

What we wanted was appropriate penalties for the lawbreakers - what we got were restrictive and ineffective laws that only penalised the law-abiding.

Yes we do have places and activities that seem to have a higher incidence of robberies and assaults, but statistically it's the same as sky-diving - you're still many times more likely to get injured in a vehicle accident getting there & back. Going armed with a KaBar is more indicative of an individual's paranoia and personal agenda than anything else. (If a person's that fearful of assault just what is the attraction to go there? Is he intending to engage in an illegal activity?). :jerkit: Carrying a large fixed knife in public let alone for SD was already illegal before Howard and whether or not a person agrees with this law, flaunting it is only going to result in more restrictions for the rest of us in years to come.

Antonio,
Thanks for the explanation. I can see your reasonong. Seems that all of these restrictions only penalize the law-abiding. That's the way of laws, criminals don't care and don't abide.
 
Will be mailing a letter sometime this week. I also vote for a sticky, voices need to be heard.
 
I mailed my letter today, I hope all of you will do the same.

A postage stamp is a small price to pay for what could be a very damaging ruling against the knife community.

For those who need a simple copy paste letter, here it is again.

Sample Letter
 
Maybe try contacting the American Hunters and Shooters Association. They bill themselves as an alternative to the NRA, and lobby for gun rights from the perspective of sportsshooters and hunters. They support some aspects of gun control, which sets them apart from the NRA and--*possibly*--would mean that a Democratic administration would be more willing to listen to them.

But this current decision sounds like it is being made by civil servants in the Customs Department. For all we know they could have been selected by Bush.

AHSA is a cleverly disguised cancer afflicting our quickly expiring Liberty:

http://www.gunlawnews.org/asha.html
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=232&issue=011
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3725.html
 
Insofar as the deleterious effect on the knife industry, I think this is an industry the plutocrats would love to see dead and buried. Much better to raise taxes and put the unemployed on welfare, than to have a right-wing-oriented industry putting blades in the hands of obstreperous Change(tm)-resisting peasants.
 
a right-wing-oriented industry putting blades in the hands of obstreperous Change(tm)-resisting peasants.

I don't like the new legal stupidity under way BUT I don't consider the knife industry to be right-wing or left wing.
 
I don't like the new legal stupidity under way BUT I don't consider the knife industry to be right-wing or left wing.

Agreed, however I bet if you took a poll, the majority of "sheeple" would poll to the left. :cool:
 
Hmph. It's funny, isn't it, but you don't see too many gun-banning, knife-banning Republicans out there.

I'm sitting here reading my copy of Shooting Illustrated that arrived in today's mail, and I realized that it's illegal for me to own more than half of the guns featured in the magazine. That's own, not carry. It's illegal for me to carry a Buck 110 folder. All in what used to be one of the bastions of the old "Wild West." I guess I can thank our liberal politicians and the teeming masses who have flooded here from the East and Left Coasts over the past 20 or 30 years for that.

Pretty sickening.
 
You guys Stateside need to lobby like crazy so you don't end up with stupid and draconian laws like we have in
Oz. I'm sure the "Right to keep and bear arms" includes knives - but



'high crime areas' in Oz??? - I'm confused on this one.

1) Why are you going into what you consider a 'high crime area' in the first place if you feel that fearful of assault that you carry a combat knife for SD - fully knowing this is illegal? Seems to me you're the one that's looking for a fight.

2) What do you consider 'high crime areas'? Redfern? KingsX? St Kilda? Punchbowl/Cabramatta? Hindley Street? The Valley? I've lived/worked/shopped/dined in these and a lot seedier places so not sure where you're talking about.

3) Use that knife in a fight and I don't fancy your chances before a judge. GBH and AWADW as a minimum - at least manslaughter if you kill someone and you're going to need the services of a six figure QC to avoid worse.

I guess if you smoked what i occasionally do, somtimes you leave your comfort zone.
Sometimes you cross paths with people at 3am, that you would rather avoid.

you are thinking a suburb. I mean a specific area. street or block.

I think I just used to mix with a different crowd than you are used to.

At the end of the day its my life.

Antonio, please feel free to email me, this thead is not the place for this conversation.
On reflection I can see my earlier statment was not very clear, and jaded by anger.

In 35 years I havent had to use a blade once.
But If I do have to........................
 
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i have 6 letters for my 2 senators going out in the next 3 days

PEOPLE. IT'S NOT THAT HARD. WRITE!!!! WRITE!!! WRITE!!!
 
UPDATE FROM CHUCK BUCK:

Had a follow up conference call today with AKTI board today.

We are applying all the pressure we can to get the time extension needed to really mobilize grass roots support. We are requesting 180 days. The law firm of Sandler, Travis and Rosenburg in Washington has been retained to coordinate this effort.

NRA is sending a response asking for the extra time and I know both senators from Idaho are getting involved because I dealt with staff for both today.

We hope to know on the extension as soon as this week since the end of next week is the deadline anyways (June 21st is a week from Sunday)

Once we know about the time frame we can then begin gathering and organizing the grass roots support and asking for all the message support we can get.

Again...www.akti.org is being updated daily including downloadable letters and instructions

Posted in Buck Forum.
 
Customs Says "NO EXTENSION!" - They Want Your Pocket Knives NOW!
Breaking News: We have recieved word that U.S. Customs & Border Protection has DENIED the numerous requests for extension that it had recieved and is planning to stick with the June 21 deadline for comments.

CBP's denial of an extension seems to be a clear indication that they do not intend to act in a fair and reasonable manner on this issue and have already made their decison to go ahead. That means we have to set the stage for the next act, which will likely be conducted both in court and in Congress. The battle is far from over, your comments will play a role in both efforts.

Knife Rights is developing a new comments letter for concerned knife owners to send to CBP and a strong email to send to Members of Congress. We are not about to roll over for this clearly out-of-control government agency.

We'll be posting new letters and additonal information in the next 24 hours.
 
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