Female hiker lost or abducted?

runningboar said:
No he doesn't, he sounds like a reasonable person.

No good could ever come from torturing and maming anyone or anything, if you are going to kill something kill it and be done.

I am glad that a lot of the people on this forum aren't lawmakers or LEOs. The family allowed to torture people???? What is this the middle ages? Chris
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I understand where the two of you are coming from, I just logged in and was reading up on all of the "pro-life" views and it just got my water boiling. I agree with you about getting rid of the murderer as quickly as possible, deep down I'm not one for torturing things and all of my hunting kills are done as quickly as possible.
 
Scott Ridgeway said:
So you're suggesting we adopt Communist China's justice system? hmmm...and I sound like a "defense attorney." (For the record, I said "kill him.")
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That's not what I meant, and that post was written in a hasty manner so I apologize for what I directed towards you. He should be dealt with quickly once the trial is over and not kept lingering around on our tax money.
 
The qualification for juries in Florida is that they have a driver license. In other states it is that they be a registered voter. Neither of these qualifies anyone to do anything but vote or drive and if you have ever registered or taken a driving test well, there is not a whole lot of qualifying involved.

As to cost, if we are to decide immediately without trial or appeal to kill someone then yes it is cheaper. The facts are however that by the time all the trial time multiple mandatory appeals and other niceties are concluded an execution is much more expensive than life in prison.

I must say that if I were personally involved with a victim of violent crime my impulse would be to want to torture the perp and I am less of human being for it.
 
I am really glad you guys have no real power, it has nothing to do with compassion for the killer or caring about his feeling or rights. It has everything to do with not turning into him, there is a right and wrong way to do things, including executions.

Have yall ever seen the videos of muslims slowly cutting someones head off, if not you should, the people that are doing that think they are in the right also. I have been all around the world and in several war zones and have seen horrible things, I hold myself to a higher moral standard and will not become what I hate.

This is my last post on this topic. Chris
 
runningboar said:
If a dog bites my child I don't torture it and don't have any desire to do so. I place the muzzle of a gun to the base of it's skull and make sure it doesn't bite anyone else.

I am very close to my father and have been all my life. He was beaten with a tire tool, his skull was crushed and left for dead in his driveway. As I said in another post the neurologist called in the family and did not expect him to live through the night, I thank the lord he did live and I still have him.

I do not want to torture the piece of trash that did this but I would very much like to do to him the same that I do with biting dogs. So don't tell me how I would feel if it was my daughter, every time I look at the large depression in my 67 year old fathers head I know exactly how I feel. Chris
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You are a better man than me as I would put forth the wrath of my god and personal fury on anyone who ever hurt my loved ones. An eye for an eye no more no less. It is the ultimate justice. If a dog mauled my kid I would beat it beyond belief and then kill it and I LOVE dogs.

Turn the other cheek is not in my nature and anyone who thinks they are above it better think again, its ingrained into human DNA to seek revenge and we are ALL capable. The fanatic muslim analogy doesnt wash apples and oranges.

That said I am not a blood monger and I only support capital punishment if it is proven 100% or close to it. I dont condone torture for minor offenses. I do however support the punishment fitting the crime. No fanfare no publicity.

Skam
 
Skam, I don't think anyone feels morally superior to you. Most of us would want to act on our base instincts with this too. It's just that allowing your emotions to drive your actions is rarely the smart thing to do-- not just in this, but with most things in life.

No hard feelings. I understand where you're coming from, but I'm with Runningboar. This is my last post on this topic.
 
We've lost the primary purposes for execution. In days of old, public execution was a deterrent to others who may think twice before commiting a similar act. It couldn't be watched on TV. Today it's not shown on TV because it's no longer "public". Horse thieves were hung because horses had no locks or ignition key, so there were relatively few horses abducted- execution for a different purpose but still a deterrent.

Now the death penalty is so vague no one pays much attention except the victim's family who suffers for 20 years wondering what will happen. Revenge, retribution, and punishment all have a different degree of purpose. In this case, whoever did it will face a trial to determine guilt, then sentencing to determine punishment based upon the circumstances.

The punishment may or may not achieve a reckoning to serve our expectations for justice. All will undoubtedly be disappointed since now we are so civilized that no one is completely guilty and completely responsible for anything.

Fear of facing this same process is a deterrent to you and I, but not to a monster. Not any more. ss.
 
I agree with many of the emotions expressed here and some of the logic. I agree with the death penalty. But I am also mindful of the 92 people on death row who have been exhonerated since 1973. After all they have been thru, they get a jacket, a check for ten bucks, and escorted out the gate. There but for the grace...

Codger
 
I don't think hanging is torture. While it's true the victim dies of asphyxiation, the shock of the neck breaking usually knocks them unconscious. Either way, it's quick. Only thing quicker would be a bullet in the head. Not a firing squad, but a bullet in the head.

I DO NOT think torture should be condoned. I know people want retribution, but being of the Christian sort, I believe "'Vengeance is mine, I will repay', says the Lord." and "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Before you call me a hypocrite for advocating captial punishment and then saying retribution is for God, remember Romans 13:3,4
"3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;

4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. "
I.e. the government is empowered to punish criminals, even to death.
If that doesn't satisfy the lust for revenge, remember these people still have Hell to look forward to. Hell is forever. If being in torment forever isn't good enough punishment for you, then nothing will be.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
I don't think hanging is torture. While it's true the victim dies of asphyxiation, the shock of the neck breaking usually knocks them unconscious. Either way, it's quick. Only thing quicker would be a bullet in the head. Not a firing squad, but a bullet in the head.

I DO NOT think torture should be condoned. I know people want retribution, but being of the Christian sort, I believe "'Vengeance is mine, I will repay', says the Lord." and "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Before you call me a hypocrite for advocating captial punishment and then saying retribution is for God, remember Romans 13:3,4
"3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;

4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. "
I.e. the government is empowered to punish criminals, even to death.
If that doesn't satisfy the lust for revenge, remember these people still have Hell to look forward to. Hell is forever. If being in torment forever isn't good enough punishment for you, then nothing will be.
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Damn, your username is really making me wonder...:D. Good use of scripture there :thumbup:.
 
Well, I was registering under a different name, but the software came up that my email address was already in use. Turns out I registered several years ago under this name and just never used the account and forgot all about it. So I just decided to go with it rather than make a new account.
 
Cpl Punishment said:
Well, I was registering under a different name, but the software came up that my email address was already in use. Turns out I registered several years ago under this name and just never used the account and forgot all about it. So I just decided to go with it rather than make a new account.
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Now you really have to work on your "posts per day" ratio by having to backtrack for so long :D.
 
I think we've just seen the tip of the iceberg in Gary Michael Hilton's background. After reading what's on the front page of the Tallahassee Democrat today I now understand why he is being named as the suspect who murdered a local woman near here who had a flat tire one night.

Besides this article connecting Gary Michael Hilton to the murder of the local woman, Chery Dunlap, here are several more articles on this apparent serial killer from the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/NEWS01/801130330

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/me...g_0112_web3.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/01/13/hilton0113.html?cxntlid=inform

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/01/12/missing0112.html?cxntlid=inform
 
Dr. Mudd said:
I think we've just seen the tip of the iceberg in Gary Michael Hilton's background. After reading what's on the front page of the Tallahassee Democrat today I now understand why he is being named as the suspect who murdered a local woman near here who had a flat tire one night.

Besides this article connecting Gary Michael Hilton to the murder of the local woman, Chery Dunlap, here are several more articles on this apparent serial killer from the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/NEWS01/801130330

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/me...g_0112_web3.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/01/13/hilton0113.html?cxntlid=inform

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/01/12/missing0112.html?cxntlid=inform
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Seems to me that the Florida Law Enforcement totally dropped the ball on all those tips huh? Coulda saved Emerson's life
 
hollowdweller said:
Seems to me that the Florida Law Enforcement totally dropped the ball on all those tips huh? Coulda saved Emerson's life
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I think law enforcement personnel everywhere that have had contacts of many kinds with Gary Michael Hilton over probably several decades have all "dropped the ball" to some extent and the result is that a serial killer has managed to stay below the radar. A real problem -- and I don't know how to solve it -- is the lack of communication and coordination between agencies. In this case it appears that city, county, state, and probably federal law enforcement personnel have all come into contact with Hilton, yet there was no obvious reason to investigate him to the extent needed to uncover the patterns of his existence. I can't speak for other places, but Florida's national forests, game management areas, and other open lands cover huge expanses of territory, and many strange and dangerous things go on within them, too. I've been convinced for years that these woods and swamps are just littered with the bones of people who have "disappeared," very often without anyone even noticing they were missing.
 
Thomas Linton said:
My neighbors had a Golden. When I worked in the back yard, he brought his Frisbee (or a slimy tennis ball) to the fence and whined for me to play with him. Nice doggie.

When the Mrs. was at home alone, the dog would bark at anyone who came to the door. This was intimidating to the Girl Scouts selling cookies etc. Mrs. developed a pattern of putting the dog behind a closed door when she answered the front door.

One day, someone rang the door bell. She put the dog in the kitchen and closed the door before answering the bell. The thug at the door pushed in and grabbed her. The Golden broke through the kitchen door and went after the thug. Lots and lots of blood. The thug went to the hospital in "critical condition." Two of his fingers -- and some globs of this and that -- went along in a Dixie Cup.

After that, nice doggie was not locked up when the door bell rang.
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Now that is a TRULY heart warming story! Good for Fido.
 
I can't speak for other places, but Florida's national forests, game management areas, and other open lands cover huge expanses of territory, and many strange and dangerous things go on within them, too. I've been convinced for years that these woods and swamps are just littered with the bones of people who have "disappeared," very often without anyone even noticing they were missing.
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Exactly the feeling I was having when I started the two legged snake probs. thread and it seems worse just lately. I have been stopped twice in the last few weeks by LEO from two different agencies while I was in WMAs. I was not up to anything and no reason was given for the stop even when I asked. They just glanced at my DL and opened the back door to check the back seat (without permission) and when they relaxed and I tried to engage in conversation, they weren't rude really but I was clearly dismissed. In the previous six years I have been doing the same activities in the same places and have never been bothered once.

Like I've stated before though, I see clear evidence of theft, prostitution, poaching, pot growing and plain old drunk ass teenagers being themselves every time I walk or ride or drive in a WMA. Not all of the aforementioned every day but many of them every time without exception.
 
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