Fiddleback Arete - First Impressions.

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Specs:


Handle Length: 4.500
Overall Length: 8.450

Blade Thickness: 0.128
Blade Height: 1.100
Blade Length: 3.950
Grind Length: 3.915

Handle Thickness - at the bullseye lanyard tube: 0.990
Handle Thickness - At Palm Swell: 0.958
Handle Thickness - at front by Ricasso: 0.750

Handle Height - at Bullseye Lanyard Tube: 0.960
Handle Height - At Palm Swell: 1.140
Handle Height - At front by Ricasso: 0.975

Handle Materials: Black G-10 liner, Natural canvas Micarta with Osage Orange on top.


Original thread - with design changes.

Announcement thread when Andy got it done.

Original Drawing - after all the changes were made:

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Original Prototype:

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Finished Knife:

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Back Story - the Short Version:

Rotte had a contest - I won the contest. I chose Fiddleback Forge to cash in on Rotte's generosity. I decided to plan my own knife. Rotte came along for the ride. TonyM helped a lot with details. Andy worked his butt off. I now have a knife.

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Fit and Finish:

The first thing that must be said is that Andy is doing the finest laminates on knives that I have seen. His stock and trade used to be a bilaminate with two hardwoods. Now he has expanded things - this is a trilaminate of G-10, Canvas Micarta, and Osage Orange. He makes these scales himself - and his attention to detail comes out in his scales.

The three colors Andy chose are so well matched and the Osage was just gorgeous. I cannot wait for it to turn a more orange, but am psyched about the color as it is. His finish on these scales are esssentially perfect. No sand lines, no issues, nice and solid. There is a slight glue line around a few of the pins - but this will weather very well as the Osage mellows.

I have handles dozens of Andy's knives (mostly for sheaths) and I have yet to see anything like a gap, or essentially seamless fit from the handles to the blade.

Andy is relatively new to the Scandi grind - but due to a nice jig in his shop - he is making them very consistent. On this knife, the plunge line from right to left was ever so slightly off - but was easily fixed with my 800 grit stone. I wager that these little things are soon to be a thing of the past with Andy care of detail.

The grind itself was VERY flat, very even, and very well done. I keep my stones very flat and hate to work convex grinds out of scandi's. This was no worry here - within no time I had the grind lines taken out and a nice polish.

His small logo looks great in the two spots it is at on this knife.

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Feel in the hand:

This is where I feel like I can't say too much. I designed the thickness of the slabs, and how the knife would fit, so of course it fits my hands well. Andy changed my design slightly - but I wanted him to make my design his execution. I cannot argue with any of the slight changes he made to the handles. Love the handles and there essentially can't be a hot spot on these.

Let me shut up and just show some comparison pics:

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The Blade and the using of the knife:

I think that Andy's heat treat is right on the money. I sharpened the blade and ended on a 6000 grit stone - went outside and attacked a bit of hard wood that I had. The grind is slightly steeper than my Koster, Bernie Garland, and other scandis. This, I think, is because the blade stock is a little thinner. (3.34 mm v. 4 mm) However, I think this is a proper grind angle. It makes for a VERY robust edge, but also one that slices well. It sizzled though the hard wood, had no issue hogging off meat in the chest lever, and made THIN feather sticks.

In short, it does everything a scandi should do.

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Lasting First Thoughts:

I really like this knife - and I know that this review is a bit sparse. It should be considering I helped design the knife. I cannot wait for the next person in line to get a hold of this blade and tell me what Andy and I wrought.

Special thanks to Rotte a GREAT guy!

TF
 
Excellent review TF. Yeah, we need to see how the Arete does in the working environment, but I have little doubt about it's abilities based on your write up. You and Andy made an outstanding team on this one. Sweet work!

(And I'm stoked that I was able to get in on this one as well. I asked Andy to do a wood/micarta laminate for my handle as well. The environment here is so dry that wood shrinks a fair bit. I'm hoping the micarta helps to stabilize the wood somewhat.)

Any thoughts on a sheath? The lines of the knife are so simple and clean that I think the sheath should be pretty simple too.
 
Rotte,

Wanna help design one? I think it is only right that you get your ideas in on this one. Give it some thought - and lets make one! ;)

TF
 
Rotte,

Wanna help design one?

I'm not in your league my friend. Not even one of the feeder teams.

But since you asked....

I'd go with a simple fold-over pouch sheath (as opposed to a full seam). Maybe a slightly rounded corner instead of a square shape--to echo the rounded handle shape. No fire steel loop to disrupt the lines. Maybe a hidden belt loop, but high on the back to keep the knife lower on the belt. No tooling....well, perhaps a simple groove at the top running off the stitching line.

Just a few thoughts. But you are certainly a better designer than I for this one. :thumbup: :)
 
Excellent review TF. Yeah, we need to see how the Arete does in the working environment, but I have little doubt about it's abilities based on your write up. You and Andy made an outstanding team on this one. Sweet work!

(And I'm stoked that I was able to get in on this one as well. I asked Andy to do a wood/micarta laminate for my handle as well. The environment here is so dry that wood shrinks a fair bit. I'm hoping the micarta helps to stabilize the wood somewhat.)

Any thoughts on a sheath? The lines of the knife are so simple and clean that I think the sheath should be pretty simple too.

I'm going to use something stabalized over the micarta because of your locale.
 
Rotte,

If you think I had a clue about knife design before Andy's help - you are crazy. Let's start with a picture of an existing sheath and see where we can go from there. I think you will be much more happy with a sheath you had a hand in designing.

Do you want rounded like this:

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or more rounded and minimal like this?:

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I think I will do the firesteel loop in the dangler - so that we can have one with us. It is a bushcrafter knife after all...

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What do you think?

TF
 
What a great looking knife! I would hope for more contour to the sides (per TF's original drawing), as the handle's shape looks just like the Koster from the top. I would like to see a comparison shot with a scandi "Bushcrafter" as they appear to look similar. Andy, do you expect to add this to your line?
 
Feldgrun,

I little more contour might help - but let me say this - I think this knife is every bit as comfortable as the highly contoured knives I have. I think that Andy could take just a smidge off the pinky portion of this knife. However, to make it as contoured as my drawing would make it too small for this knife to be comfortable.

He has named a price on this knife - and as far as I understand the Arete is now part of his lineup. Andy can correct me if wrong.

TF
 
What a great looking knife! I would hope for more contour to the sides (per TF's original drawing), as the handle's shape looks just like the Koster from the top. I would like to see a comparison shot with a scandi "Bushcrafter" as they appear to look similar. Andy, do you expect to add this to your line?

I may need to buy a new grinding wheel for the KMG to get deeper contouring. I had to back off to leave the swell the requested thickness on this one. If someone wasn't needing an inch plus thick handle, the contouring would be steeper even with the wheel I have.

I am adding this one to my lineup.:thumbup:
 
OK, dangler with fire steel loop is very cool. I like the little bit of recurve you put in the top edge of the second example--that's a good idea too, the handle has a little flow like that. Subtle but adds some style. Then round the corners of the bottom (tip end) slightly--this knife has some great curves, the sheath should probably not be too geometric or boxy.

Dang TF, you are doing some great work. Fortunately Andy's knives deserve a great sheath.
 
I'm not in your league my friend. Not even one of the feeder teams.

But since you asked....

I'd go with a simple fold-over pouch sheath (as opposed to a full seam). Maybe a slightly rounded corner instead of a square shape--to echo the rounded handle shape. No fire steel loop to disrupt the lines. Maybe a hidden belt loop, but high on the back to keep the knife lower on the belt. No tooling....well, perhaps a simple groove at the top running off the stitching line.

Just a few thoughts. But you are certainly a better designer than I for this one. :thumbup: :)
Just saw your Arete sheath posted on the page I linked to you in the PM. Looks like you weaved these words into a master-piece! I'm not very experienced but it seems you nailed Rotte's design :)
Came out fabulous IMO, I want one just like it for mine... Definitely with one of those ace detachable danglers with the loop worked into it. Never seen one of those before till today.
You two make a great team.
Later guys,
Gabriel.
 
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