FiF crossbow

Would of been funny if.
Will: “You have five days to make this”.
contestant: raises hand
Will “yes”
contest “no thanks”

I was just thinking the same exact thing. What would happen if one of the two contestants just said “no.” ? Lol. Or better yet, what if both contestants agreed to boycott the challenge? I wonder if the producers would be big enough ego maniacs to scuttle the episode...

I would have been PISSED. You’re already putting your rep in jeopardy by going on the show. To have some BS thrown at you like that? Boy... And is it just me or does $10k seem like no where near enough money for a prize?
 
Hell you can win 10k on the cupcake war tv show lol. I think it should be bumped up and drop a lot of the nonsense final challenges. I think then a lot of makers would try it out. Or leave it at 10k and reimburse the smiths for there time spent.
 
I agree. I watch it, but mostly just to put faces with some of the names I know from BF and to see what they come up with and cuz i need background noise when im up late at night doing stuff in the office. I know its TV and ratings and all, but since the vast majority of guys are knife makers and not sword makers, why not give them a few days to make a well made knife instead of some weird half-ass built sword?
 
The crossbows really felt like they were given blueprints or something.

I actually think the show is doing better than it was. It really feels now like they are trying to challenge the smiths. Earlier episodes made it look like a failure in the show was because of a lack of skill from a smith. I always had a problem with that. Now it has a bit of junkyard wars feel. There were a lot of guys who failed the first round this season season looked like they were good makers and it just looked like they lost a contest. I think it's way better than the season were they were sneaking in 60 min epoxy and all the handle materials were to short. The only episodes I think are kinda shady are the ones like the camping episode where they were all using the fire ring because it was hardenible steel. They apparently are hiding real blade steel on the set and having they guys do a bit of acting. That's a bit dishonest.

I'm wondering what's up with all the metal chopping episodes. I get the feeling they must be trying to control edge thickness as well as get some sort of visible failure for the camera.
 
$10k is cheap as hell. I mean it is a week and half of your time. For a middle class guy that is about $1500 in lost wages. Do they reimburse the losers for their time? If not, then the 1:4 chance would make a $6k purse an even chance game. So there is only $4k incentive. Is your dignity and reputation worth $4k? I have heard losing contestants say their sales stopped after a bad appearance on the show.

Well, the math isnt quite right because if you lose in first or second round, you dont spend the full week and half of your time. But for the 2nd place guy it is awful.
 
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The only reason they had to build a crossbow was to bring up that app. They probably got paid a lot of money to promote it. That actually annoyed me a little. Force these KNIFE MAKERS to build a crossbow just to promote some app that has nothing to do with bladesmithing. And the contestants created some of the best round two knives I've seen yet. It just seemed like a waste of talent.

And of course they had to promote the app again next week, but at least they had to forge swords, albeit very, very difficult swords.
 
I find it likely the contestants were asked if they'd be comfortable doing something like a crossbow without specifically asking if they'd be ok with the final challenge being a crossbow. For example I made it clear before signing on my only personal limitation is I won't do coal. I was open to any challenge they could dream of but coal.

If they'd said "no" (at the time being discussed) and there wasn't any discussion, they'd likely be sued for lost revenue and production costs due to the agreement they sign before becoming a contestant.

No one is reimbursed for their time. Travel and accommodations are completely paid. It's a full two week+ commitment for those in the final challenge, with travel and everything.

I agree the $10k prize after taxes and lost wages is not a very significant sum, anyone choosing solely to do the show based on the chance at the prize money is probably making a poor decision. Especially a full time maker who doesn't have PTO to burn at their day job.

Not much risk to a nobody like me. No one really remembers the first guy who goes home unless it's for something spectacularly memorable. Huge risk for an established, popular maker who's entire customer base is likely to tune in.

As I've said before I'd still go back in a heartbeat if they asked. I had a great time and don't feel like anything was misrepresented to me or that I was misrepresented in editing. But I also read the entire agreement and asked a lot of questions up front and didn't assume anything that wasn't explicitly stated.
 
Don’t get me wrong I do really enjoy watching it. I was just stating why I think thy are scraping the bottom of the blade smith barrel so to speak. Seams like 99% of the contestants have been making knives for around a year or two. And probably started bevaus thy watched FIF.
 
They are definitely struggling to get good smiths on now. The amount of 18yr olds and guys who have 1 or 2 years under their belt is now the norm last half of this season. Some have suprised me and done well, but most you know from the intro to the episode that they arent up for the challenge. Anytime i see a sword or odd weapon unveiled for the finale i cringe now as odds of the weapons even making it through testing are slim to none as the contestants are underskilled and their shops can't handle the builds.

As i see it producers need to do one or more of these things.

1. Increase prize, 10k is not enough to lure in well established smiths. Risk vs reward just isnt there.

2. Quit doing the junk steel episodes. askin a smith to put his rep on the line using whiskey barrel rings is not cool.

3. Promote the smiths more! For petes sake, list their full name/business! Its common practice on other shows... and i bet would increase established smiths giving it a shot if they knew it would promote them even a little more.

4. Give the smiths the option to really shine. I cant be the only one sick of seeing crap blades churned out in 5 days. If its like last weeks episode with the huge sword, give em more time. And less if its a simple build.

5. Enough with the tests that no knife would ever be used for. I know it makes for 'exciting' tv for the masses, but bashing a blade into an inch thick steel nut is just stupid and will discourage established smiths from applying even more.

And yeah if i do decide to apply ill be stipulating no coal as well. Thanks for letting me know its an option.
 
Yea crossbows? Definitely not something you’d expect to see in a bladesmithing show. I also don’t like how some (most?) of the tests are conducted. Last week they had the giant nut for their strength test and you could see the guy not even hit the knife on the nut which resulted in a “catastrophic” failure.
 
And when I need to hack some firebricks in half (at least 4 times a week in my shop), a knife is the first thing I reach for.

These are the things we're teaching the uneducated masses that they should be able to expect from handmade/custom knives.

J. Nielson and some of the others should know better. :thumbsdown:
 
I just watched that last episode last night - I was sorta surprised how much damage the knives took from firebrick, even the hard brick they were using. Have you notice it the quality of finish seldom enters into the pass or fail aspect of the judging? I can sorta understand, because to some extent "quality" becomes subjective and they like to stay purely objective.
 
Quality of finish has so little to do with the judging it should not be considered by the contestants … especially in the final head to head challenge.

The following is my advise to everyone who has asked about being on FIF:
I have a good friend who was on the show. I advised him to use Micarta and Corby bolts for all handles, forget about mirror polishing and only sand and smooth the bevels to 400 grit, forget about his signature embellishments and frills, make the spine thicker than normal, and the blade heavier than normal, and concentrate on a convex edge that was both sharp and tough.
He didn't use micarta in the handles segment, had issues, but his blade was sound and he went on to the finals.
In the final sword project he made a beautiful fancy weapon with ebony handles that broke) and mokume (that the judges loved, but added no "points" as a weapon). He made the edge too thin, so it would be a great cutter (but it rolled in the impact test). He came in second for those reasons.
After the show he said he agreed with my advise, and asked me what I would have advised he temper the blade at. I suggested 425°-450°F for Rc59/58. He had started to call me during the home forge week, but didn't know if it was allowed. They told him later that it would have been OK to "Phone a Friend". He tempered for a lower hardness fearing the blade would break if too hard. He figured a roll was better than a break. I pointed out that the blade would be no more likely to break at Rc58 than at Rc56, but the edge would be more likely to chip instead of roll in the (ridiculously) violent impact tests. Since the impact test is first, the edge would cut better with chips than with a roll ... and that was the deciding factor in the decision on who won. His rolled and the other one chipped.
 
Hahahaaa.

A good "I told you so"
 
He did his own FiF challenge on his youtube channel and the knife broke in half. He's enthusiastic, skilled, and great at making videos, but he's still a 19 year old.

Also, if you're going to be on the show, learn how to MIG weld. So much horrible welding on there, failures in canisters and such, and they always highlight it to make the contestant look bad.
 
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