Fifa (soccer) world cup and hooliganism

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Less than a week and the fifa world cup 2006 starts in Germany.
There is a great fear Germany will become a battlefield for hooligans from East Europe (Poland) , England, Germany, some fascists from Italy.
Does this hooliganism also exist in the States or is it typically European?
Has anybody some ideas about the reasons of this manifestation?
 
We have some hooliganism in our sports events but far less than Europe.Reasons ? Socialism with it's very high unemployment rate for young people. As many as 25% unemployed youth does create problems -drugs ,alcoholism, violence.
 
Sports confrontations in the U.S. tend to be between individuals. In over 35 years of following college football extensively, I have observed about five or six real fights, one-on-one, and numerous cases of jawing, pushing, shoving.
Most of these were due to alcohol.

I suspect that more occur at professional sports events than at college games, but since I turned away from professional sports in disgust quite some time ago, I really don't know.
 
I recall some civil unrest in a few of the larger cities by inner-city residents, whether their team won (celebratory looting and rioting), or lost (angry looting and rioting). Mete's post re: socialism seems even more interesting, considering the style of government one finds in the biggest cities in the U.S.
 
Okay, not to hurt anyone's feelings or insult anyone.
Some football NFL stadiums are well known for their propensity for violence before, during and after the game and yea it tends to be more individual based but not always.
Patriots , Raiders , Steelers , Browns , Eagles, all those stadiums have had high problems with violence between fans.
Some Raider fans are well known for being trouble makers , to the point that two of the sports bars here in Fresno will not show Raider games , period.
That is wonderful for me , being a Steelers fan I can go to these places and not have to hear anyone talking smack about how bad my team sucks, trying to provoke a fight , which has happened numerous times... I'm as interested in fighting over football as I am in getting my bellybutton pierced.
Just not my thing....
I love my team , actually I adore the Steelers , if you saw my apartment you would get it hehe , but to riot , fight , hurt someone else because of the love for my team ?
Only a fool and an idiot would do so.
 
Fighting in stadiums don't happen anymore in Europe.
There is good security and a lot of high definition camera's.
Instead the clans call each other by cellphone to have a battle outside of town.
Go figure, it hasn't got anything to do with the sport anymore.
The police is monitoring the transmissions so the clashes between the two clans are relatively small (few hundred people) because they have to organize fast.
But even a few of these fearless madmen can cause major damage.:barf:
 
why are british footy fans "hooligans", but german soccer fans are "thugs"?:p
 
mete said:
We have some hooliganism in our sports events but far less than Europe.Reasons ? Socialism with it's very high unemployment rate for young people. As many as 25% unemployed youth does create problems -drugs ,alcoholism, violence.
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Exactly! Socialism and the nanny state governments are wonderful things, eh? :rolleyes::barf:
 
Mike Hull said:
Exactly! Socialism and the nanny state governments are wonderful things, eh? :rolleyes::barf:
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Not making this a left-right issue but the great maturity of these hooligans are right winged neo-nazis, racists and fascists
 
Neo said:
Not making this a left-right issue but the great maturity of these hooligans are right winged neo-nazis, racists and fascists
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You do know that nazi means "national socialist"?
 
yes I know
But they wheren't very social.
They might have called themself socialists but this means nothing.
A Palastinian may call himself a freedomfighter, you may call him a terrorist.
In the States a liberal is a lefty in Europe the ones at the right site are called liberals. Names are just names.
I hope nobody is thinking a neo-nazi is a socialist or to make it even more extreme a communist.
Their filosofy is at the very right side of the political spectrum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

"Originally, Nazi was invented by analogy to Sozi (a common and slightly derogatory term for the Nazis' main opponents, the socialists in Germany). The Nazis from the era of the Third Reich rarely referred to themselves as "Nazis", preferring the official term "National Socialists" instead. Nazi was most commonly used as a pejorative term; however, its use became so widespread that, currently, some Neo-Nazis also use it to describe themselves."

I'm gone leave this topic because it is going the wrong direction.
 
Uhm...I think you need to brush up on your history.

You don't need to quote a Wikipedia article to tell me where and how the term originated, I'm German. In German, Nationalsozialist means national socialist (obviously...), period. It does not mean "anti-socialist" or whatever. A nazi is a self-proclaimed nationalistic socialist. Doesn't that closely resemble Stalin's ideology? It is impossible to twist that obvious meaning into something more to the liking of today's socialists.

Of course they weren't social. Neither are those who call themselves socialists/communists/maoists/marxists/stalinists etc (all the same to me, really). The word "social" is simply a sick euphemism for injustice and dictatorship and/or mob rule as opposed to the individual liberty found in a republic.
Please spare me the "but stalinism/maoism/whatever isn't/wasn't real socialism! They took Marx's idea and perverted it!" pseudo-argument. There were and still are numerous socialist regimes all over the world and they all sucked or still suck...and it's not like mob rule and theft aren't pillars of marxism in its original form anyway.

The nazis directly competed with the communists for the votes of workers, which is why they saw one another as enemies. A bit like the Soviet-Chinese situation during the Cold War. Did you know that they chose red as their color because of that direct competition?

Did you know that the nazi party had a left wing that was comprised of "former" communists? Freisler (not verified) and Goebbels were among them.

Guess why the nazis implemented lots of socialist measures, such as "Kindergeld", government subsidies for parents? Socialists strongly favor such measures too.

Nazis put what they considered the "common good" above individual freedoms. Doesn't that sound like communism to you?

Nazis despise capitalism. Doesn't that sound like communism to you?

What exactly is right-wing about their ideology?

As far as I am concerned, socialists and national socialists are the very same kind of worthless scum. They both terrorized and still terrorize the world and killed countless innocents.

Neo said:
Less than a week and the fifa world cup 2006 starts in Germany.
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Well over a week, actually.
 
Neo said:
Not making this a left-right issue but the great maturity of these hooligans are right winged neo-nazis, racists and fascists
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Like was said above, nazi means national socialism, it's all left wing.:barf:
While the eastern world slowly gains freedoms, the western world sinks further into socialism. You will pay a heavy price for taking peoples freedoms away. Civil unrest just being one of them.
 
Am I going to have to move this thread? Keep the politics out of the conversation or I'm sending this to the Political Arena. :grumpy:
 
Hi All-

Simple fists, fighting, and occasional hooliganism? That is for children. Thirty years ago the Germans actually had a bomber on their team!

Gerd "Der Bomber" Muller

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~ Blue Jays ~

p.s. Aahhh, those were the days!​
 
rebeltf said:
, Browns all those stadiums have had high problems with violence between fans.
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Not true..... The Browns never had serious problems with violence. Just a bunch of drunks in the former "Dawg Pound" throwing stuff. Very little actual damage. But high drama and cannon fodder for the media.
 
The answer's simple. Soccer is sooooo boring, the fans need to do something to liven it up!:D
 
The violence associated with the Brittish game was always there, no matter which government held sway, I think that the far right started to take an interest simply because they saw the hooligans as an exploitable pool of angry, fired up young men. Whilst it's true that some groups of so-called supporters, for example the Chelsea "Headhunters" have proven links with groups like C18,
the majority of the trouble makers just seem to be in it for the sheer love of beating the living crap out of whoever the enemy may be.:jerkit:
I don't follow the game myself but have always enjoyed the World Cup, it would
be a real shame if a minority of morons from what ever country spoil it for the rest of us.
 
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