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Is the Almar Shiva worth about twice the price of the Hattori Ebony Fighter?

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I'm not aware of Hattori making knives in Taiwan.
Do you mean Junglee, who also use this model?

The Hattori production is very limited, doesn't sound very made in Taiwan to me.
 
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If I'm not mistaken the Al Mar is a laminated blade, should mean a tougher less rust resistant steel core for a great edge with a sheath or softer stronger stainless steel to prevent rust.
 
Equating the real Hattori blades to the Junglee would be the same as thinking they are the same quality as the Kill Bill Hattori swords...lol. The Fighter pictured above is not a made in Taiwan mass market knife like the Junglees are. The Ebony Fighter from Hattori of Japan (which is what is pictured above) is not 440 stainless, these are made from AUS-8. For the money they are excellent buys. The Al-Mar does use a higher end steel, whether or not it is worth the extra coin is a personal choice. To an Al Mar collector I am sure it is worth the extra, for someone else it might not be.

btw...I do own one of the Ebony Fighters. I have considered an Al Mar but I keep finding nice customs for the same money. Given the choice between AL Mar and a good custom I prefer to own the latter.
 
Absintheur said:
Equating the real Hattori blades to the Junglee would be the same as thinking they are the same quality as the Kill Bill Hattori swords...lol. The Fighter pictured above is not a made in Taiwan mass market knife like the Junglees are. The Ebony Fighter from Hattori of Japan (which is what is pictured above) is not 440 stainless, these are made from AUS-8. For the money they are excellent buys. The Al-Mar does use a higher end steel, whether or not it is worth the extra coin is a personal choice. To an Al Mar collector I am sure it is worth the extra, for someone else it might not be.

btw...I do own one of the Ebony Fighters. I have considered an Al Mar but I keep finding nice customs for the same money. Given the choice between AL Mar and a good custom I prefer to own the latter.
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these are made from AUS-8.
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AUS-8 is a cheaper entry level steel just like the 440 series. It's far from being a premium steel. And they certainly charge you a premium...
 
Outdoors Fanatic said:
AUS-8 is a cheaper entry level steel just like the 440 series. It's far from being a premium steel. And they certainly charge you a premium...
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A knife is a whole lot more than only the steel used.
How many excellent customs aren't there with simple tool steels.
Or exellent manufacturers who don't use the latest design steels.
The premium line of sog comes to mind
Besides, in their higher end line hattori also uses VG10 and crowy x
Also known for kitchen knives: http://japanesechefsknife.com/HATTORI.html
 
outdoor_guy08 said:
Is there a real hattori sword maker, and is it related to the Hattori knives mentioned here?
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I don't think so
Do a search for Hattori Hanzō which was a famous ninja/swordsmen.
I think Kill Bill is elaborating on this historical person.
 
Lycosa said:
Neo---What is your price range and what style of fighter do you like?
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I see knives as tools and I have no use for a fighter model.
This doesn't mean I don't like the design of these knives.
So while they please me visually, I'm not searching for a fighter or dagger...
Does it make any sense :D

If I'm not mistaken the Al Mar is a laminated blade, should mean a tougher less rust resistant steel core for a great edge with a sheath or softer stronger stainless steel to prevent rust.
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Yes the Shiva is laminated
In a lamination the core is a steel with higher wear resistance at a higher hardness. Mostly carbon steel.
The sides are made from a tougher steel at lower hardeness mostly stainless
( For a knife is strength the ability to resist deformation or rolling - goes up with HRC and with finer grainsize)

The Shiva is VG10 Laminated between two sides of 420.
VG10 is quite rust resistant (stainless)
The lamination should make the blade thougher (like used by Fallkniven)
Although the softer 420 wil show much more scratches.
I don't know the RC of the core and sides.

But what is the intendent task for a fighter?
To be light, quick, ambivalent, sharp?
I don't know
 
Neo---If you want a user, look no further than Busse. His infi steel is almost unrivaled. Or have a custom made for you. My Leu Custom is Dee Bom. Good luck! :)
 
Hattori are awesome and use AUS 8 because it takes a great edge and a fine polish. Also the Japanese market are not as enamored with the latest greatest steels as we are in North America. The hattori has a leval of fit and finish not often seen in North American knives unless of course Hattori made them under contract which some big names do.

A fighter does not need high end steel anyway so i would say the Hattori is a far better value. however Al Mar knives are very collectible. I would bet money that the Al mar is made by Hattori anyway.

If you can find an ebony fighter in stock jump on it!
 
Outdoors Fanatic said:
AUS-8 is a cheaper entry level steel just like the 440 series. It's far from being a premium steel. And they certainly charge you a premium...
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That is a gross oversimplification. AUS8 can be an excellent steel in and of itself, especially in a large blade that is not made for gentle cutting.

AUS8 is significantly superior in edge retention to 440A. It does not have the edge retention of 440C, but it takes a finer edge. It has an excellent ballance of properties that make it a good choice for a knife of this style.

AUS8 is far from a "cheap entry level steel".
 
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