Fighting knife by Yuvrag Kami

Grime said:
Hey Id be daunted if I had to face a khukuri! Id be freaking out if I had to face any knife without a knife of my own, though I train for that situation. You just cant beat a skilled knife fighter with empty hands! But the most lethal knives IMO are the light, fast, powerful ones. Martial arts is about speed and power. But speed I believe is most important.
If a Ghurkha swings at you with his blade, you’re already dead or missing a limb. It’d be very hard to dodge. He would no doubt swing at the perfect time. The momentum of the blade couldn’t be parried easily if at all. Speed and reach is a nice thing to have. That knife doesn’t have either. Well I haven’t handled it, but that’s what I see.

If you want to buy a fighting knife, and you like this particular one - go for it! Its not the worst one for the job!

I’m just offering my opinion.

Id recommend this one: http://yhst-7333098713883.stores.yahoo.net/20inchkobra.html

...I have my eye on that one too.
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philipines
http://vikingsword.com/rila/k13.jpg
american
http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/R000064_L.jpg
http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/R000141_L.jpg
german
http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/R000144_L.jpg
japanese
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1896_24304593
india
http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=930
http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=1657


theres a history behind large blades in combat. they have there place.
 
What the heck is a troll?

Wherever there’s humans, there’s usually some kind of segregation or fixed opinion... :grumpy:

Maybe some of you (I dunno) idolize this Kami and his knives? Or can someone actually challenge me on this? I don’t think this knife is very good for fighting. Do you disagree? Why?
 
First off, I know diddly about knife fighting, first hand. Though I did fence for some years, and have been interested in edged weapons for ages.

Looking again at the knife design, I think that the handle swell near the blade would probably keep your hand from sliding down, though certainly a guard would add insurance. The wood handle, if sanded with perhaps 400 grit paper, would be plenty grippy, if finished with oil.

To my eye, the blade design is optimized for slashing (curved blade), and the reduced weight at the tip would give more quickness and manouverability. It would penetrate well with a stab, and leave a widening wound.

It wouldn't be my first choice for a fighting knife either - but it's not a silly design, IMHO. I'd certainly choose it over some of the ridiculous Rambo style knives you still sometimes see promoted as tactical whizzes.
 
SethMurdoc said:
philipines
http://vikingsword.com/rila/k13.jpg
american
http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/R000064_L.jpg
http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/R000141_L.jpg
german
http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/R000144_L.jpg
japanese
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/greatsword_1896_24304593
india
http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=930
http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=1657


theres a history behind large blades in combat. they have there place.
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Yes, but is everyone in history a winner?
Sure they have their place...

The Romans used the short sword and they conquered with it. It was faster than the barbaric long swords. The Romans were faster soldiers. If the Japanese were to have waged war in the times of swords, against other countries like Germany or Arabia, they would have conquered too. There's nothing like a good Katana.
There’s nothing wrong with large blades. But the thing about this Yuvraq knife is its outdated. Ok it resembles the ancient Viking and Indian knives, but were in the 21st century, and things have changed.

I figure, why make a knife like that^, when a khukuri would do 10 times better in almost every way as a combat knife?
 
What's this troll stuff about? If Grime don't like that knife, he's entitled to voice an opinion, and we're just as entitled to disagree and offer opinions of our own. The fact that Grime proclaims he'd be "undaunted" by it just paints him as a bit inexperienced and foolhardy, not in itself a crime last I checked.

Personally, I also think a 3/4" spine on anything other than a huge khukuri, would make for an unecessarily heavy and slow handling blade, but guys, that's just my opinion. ;)

Sarge
 
Yes thanks for understanding Sarg! ;)

I mean undaunted as in - I would know exactly how to fight a guy using that knife. Id be nervous as usual of course... Well it depends on who’s using it. If some dude was trying to intimidate me with that thing, Id just laugh. If a Ghurkha was standing with it, poised for death, then Id swallow hard and focus. If he was holding a khukuri, Id smile and offer to buy him a beer... Cause I probably couldn’t outrun him.


Its really not a bad knife that. But I wonder why this Kami made a heavy khukuri-like knife left out the advantages of a khukuri.
A khukuri is a very fast knife really. If you have a good arm, a good wrist and some wisdom, you can get those things flying FAST. Without interrupting the flow and sticking to rounded movements, khukuris are quite fluid. Usually after you swing (say you miss your opponent), your ribs are exposed from the turn. You can use your empty hand to push your knife hand by the wrist for another fast swing. If you dont do somthing after the swing, you WILL get stabbed. Fast movement with a khukuri involves both hands for me. The wrist cant support the momentum after a swing to make another one fast enough. I’ve seen Martial Arts experts of the khukuri use it this way.

Btw: If I ask a Kami to make me a custom knife, how much do you think it would cost roughly?
 
It appears the knife description has been revised to reflect a spine thickness of 1/4 inch.

Eric
 
Thanks Eric, all previous bets are off, you could carve somebody up pretty bad with that one. Still, it bears enough resemblance to previous "fishing" knives that I can't help but wonder. That horn handled fishing knife that Bura made may indeed have been intended for that purpose, but the thing fairly screamed dark deeds and desparate encounters. ;)

Sarge
 
I think there's a place here on Bladeforums, Tactics and training, or somesuch for folks who are so inclined to discuss knife fighting, stick fighting and all kinds of fighting. Then there's whine and cheese to discuss fighting with the wife or girlfriend ;)
I've by God seen enough blood in my time (some of it mine) that I don't take to discussing it much.
I am 55 yrs old as of yesterday :( and not nearly as quick as I once was. My solution to a knife fight is a .45 ACP.
Maybe Mr. Grime is an experienced knife fighter with his Cold Steel Ti-lite, he can carve us all up, I don't know. I would hope to never have to find out.
I like the knife herein presented. If I had the coins to spare, I probably would have tried to buy it. I would not buy a cold steel ti-lite. Just me.
I rarely say something like this, but this time I really mean it...

Peace to all


--Mike L.
 
Geez, it's only 12" and 10 oz. Great length to weight ratio. I'll bet it's very fast. Bottom line it looks well done and the price was amazingly low. Wish I had seen it first and had the $ to buy it. Congrats to whoever snagged it. :thumbup:

Norm
 
Grime said:
If the Japanese were to have waged war in the times of swords, against other countries like Germany or Arabia, they would have conquered too. There's nothing like a good Katana.
There’s nothing wrong with large blades. But the thing about this Yuvraq knife is its outdated. Ok it resembles the ancient Viking and Indian knives, but were in the 21st century, and things have changed.

I figure, why make a knife like that^, when a khukuri would do 10 times better in almost every way as a combat knife?
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theres nothing like the desire to win (in the long and short run) and good tactics. if you argue that we're in the 21st century so carying anything of size is outdated, i have no argument to that. i could make the argument that fighting with anything but a gun is outdated.

you can barehands a great knife fighter who'se weilding thin daggers akimbo, its not easy, and you might not win, but it can be done. each knife has a method of being used, but if you cant fight the opponents style to begin with, he'll probably win regardless of the weapon used.

daggers (stelletos) slice deep, but you need to be accurate with them, or have someone who cant defend themselves against random fast slashing (or stabbing). if you can stay off the slashes and get one good chop in with that blade (wich really isnt that heavy. my hogsjtac is 14oz), you'll mess up the entire structure of the arm (leg, head, neck, spine, ribs) by jarring, chipping, or breaking the bone underneath it. and a knife that big with one solid stab will do more damage then a stilleto - if only for the shock value of its size.


i dont beleive in end all weapons, unless its a sniper rifle from 1/4 mile away. and even then, smart missiles will probably beat out the rifle in a fist fight. in a hand to hand fight, tactics win out as far as im concerned. its not what you fight with, its how you fight.

i would fight with a knife like that (over a khukuri) because i live in a city, in the united states. khukuries dont work on the streets here (unless you can find a way to hide 18" of steel). and stilleto's have a realy bad reputation with law enforcement and the general public.


and for that matter, i'd rather not fight with that knife (or any) in the first place. its better to find out who attacked you once you've fled the scene.



i agree that this entire discussion should probably be in the tactics and training section.
 
Looks a bit like these Pesh-Kabz daggers. (just needs the sharpened top edge on the front of the blade)

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Photos of "sold" knives borrowed from:
http://www.oriental-arms.com/index.php

n2s
 
Grime said:
How bout this then?

xiaozhuxing-2.jpg
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It is designed to solve a different kind of problem. The pesh is a thrusting dagger with a reinforced armour piercing point which is centered relative the handle, and stiffen by a T-spine. Cutting/slashing is secondary, and the forward 1-inch of the point may not even be fully sharpened due to the larger edge angle.

This is unlike the tanto which is designed primarily for cutting, rather then thrusting.

n2s
 
not2sharp said:
It is designed to solve a different kind of problem. The pesh is a thrusting dagger with a reinforced armour piercing point which is centered relative the handle, and stiffen by a T-spine. Cutting/slashing is secondary, and the forward 1-inch of the point may not even be fully sharpened due to the larger edge angle.

This is unlike the tanto which is designed primarily for cutting, rather then thrusting.

n2s
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Actually the tanto was designed primarily to pierce armour. Usually drawn during grappling with the enemy. A traditional tanto has no curve near the tip of the blade to give it strength, because it’s only necessary for the sword. The blade is more spike shaped (hard to find these). The blade is also quite thick. Not many people know, tantos are not supposed to have that sleep angle on the tip. Theres nothing special about it on a knife. Its not needed. I did see an authentic tanto at a local knife store I go to. Ill post a picture of it when I buy it :D

This is a slightly better example Id say:
seppkudagger2.jpg
 
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