Figred I'd ask this here....

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So I'm a diehard Spyderco fan. Love em. It's all I carry.

Lately I've been reading a lot of about the Sebenzas. Specifically the Small Sebenza Insignio. I really love Ti tools, especially beadblasted, and the stonewashed blades look cool. Looks like a pretty well made knife and has good reviews. But then again if you spend $350 you tend to defend it vehemently.

I didn't want to ask on the Sypderco company forums since it is a competitor.

But for those of you that own Spydercos and Sebenzas..... are the Sebenzas worth the $350 price tag?
 
Yes, but only if you get a pretty one (e.g. polished blade, computer graphic) and are rich enough so that $400+ for something you can lose or goober up by dropping on concrete doesn't give you the willies :)
 
I was leaning towards the plain blasted Titanium so if I did drop it on concrete and goober it up that a quick trip through the sand/bead blaster would fix er up.
 
I'd say it's worth it. It seems like a lot of people who get one and are underwhelmed only handle the knife, they don't carry it.

I got a plain large Sebenza over a year ago, and although a Spyderco might kick it out of my pocket for a day or two, 90% of the time I'm carrying it.
 
You can get some good deals on the "for sale" section of BF. Also check the bay. I think your best bet is BF.
 
Maybe try a Sage2?

Personally I do not own a sebbie... I do like the small micarta inlay. But at this point, if I was to spend 300$ plus I might go for a Hinderer XM-18.
 
This does not seem like the right forum for this kind of question either. You are stating you love Spyderco, but are asking about the value of another knife brand. Is a Sebenza worth the asking price? That depends on income, personal taste, your local knife laws, and about a thousand other factors. Worth in this case is a subjective term is what I am getting at. Will a $350 knife cut better than a $100 knife? Maybe, maybe not. To some any $350+ knife serves as more of a status symbol the term (pocket jewlery) has been thrown around quite a bit. I own 3 Sebenzas and an Umnumzaan. As stated by many time and time again, the knives are extremely well made, they are manufacturer with very tight tolerances and can last a lifetime or more with proper care and maintenance.
 
Discussions comparing different companies are better placed in the General Knife Discussion than in one company's forum.
 
Functionally speaking a Sebenza isn't going to out perform a Spyderco or even an Opinel when it comes to doing what a knife is for, cutting. They're just nicer. Nicer fit and finish, nicer materials, etc. If you want something nicer and can swing the price go for it. Otherwise, let the Jones' have their pocket jewelry. :D
 
This question constantly comes up. I'll bet if you search you'll find a bunch of threads dealing with it. Some people love 'em, some people hate 'em and some could go either way. The only way to know is get one for yourself.

I always wondered what the fuss was about because looking at the pictures they really weren't all that appealing to me. But reading all of the great reports from the fans peaked my interest and I decided to buy one to find out for myself.

Once I got it, I saw that the reports were all true. The fit and finish is first class. They are built to very exacting tolerances, and the blade geometry is excellently suited to most any cutting task you could think to put it to. I was a believer. . . For a while. Then I found myself comepletely underwhelmed again. Not the knife's fault. For various reasons it was just unsuitable for me so I sold it; to many others they are perfect as is.

The point is, I had to try it for myself to know.
 
Value of Sebenza:

y = a + x1 + x2 + x3 - x4 - x5 + i

where:
y = value of sebenza
a = constant
x1 = bid and offer prices of steel on the commodities market
x2 = value of the CRK trademark
x3 = utility gained by owning Sebenza
x4 = equals cost
x5 = price of competition
i = random error
 
I like my Umnumzaan better because I hate the pointed thumbstuds and the plain jane handles with no texture. However, you might feel a bit underwhelmed if you don't have a decent appreciation for tight tolerances and fit and finish.
 
If you are someone who can appreciate fine engineering and simplistic perfection than you will love the sebenza. I think its worth every cent because it has tighter tolerances than the $1000+ customs I got to handle. This is coming from a spyderco fanboy.
 
Thanks for the replies, most of them provided exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for.

The reason this was originally placed in the Spyderco Forum is because all I own are Sypdercos so I was wanting a comparison between the two. I wasn't looking for comparisons with other knife makers.
 
I think I might...I say might...be able to give a little insight on this because for over seven years I had a sebenza in my pocket and now I EDC a Sage 2. (sold one sebenza, gave the other to my son.) First are you aware of the economics principle of diminishing returns? it pretty much states that at first a small increase in energy/money pays large dividends but a as the money/energy input goes up, the returns are smaller. Here I'll give a couple examples.

Me doing a hundred meter sprint. I am fourty-three and overweight. My time would be extremely poor right now, and I would most likely fall down panting for about half an hour after I finished. Now let's say I take a very moderate training program of jogging ten minutes a day three days a week and doing two sprints on the weekends. total energy 40 minutes. I have no doubt that I could easily cut my sprint time in half in about two or three weeks. Now say I want to cut it further. I double my workout routine and even go on a diet. Three weeks later my sprint time would still no doubt be an improvement, (And my doctor would be ecstatic!) but I would not halve my time, maybe only run a couple seconds faster. even though I am putting in twice the amount of energy into training. If we continued, eventually I could be training twenty hours a week but getting extremely small improvements in my times.

The same thing holds true in manufacturing. Take a ten dollar gas station knife. Cheap pot metal blade poorly fitting lock. Add fifty dollars and you have a decent knife that holds a decent edge and has much better fit and finish like a delica VG-10. I would say that first fifty dollars buys you a knife that is easily four or five times as good as that gas station cheapy. We've got a good solid lock, a good blade steel, good quality scales. Add another fifty dollars and we get improvements again, say this time we have a Para 2. It's better again but this time our fifty dollars hasn't bought us a fourfold increase in quality, I don't think it's even twice as good. While the S30V blade holds an edge longer than VG10, in my experience it doesn't hold an edge twice as long...maybe one and a half times. We now have a g-10 scale and I think that's better than FRN just not alot better. (more expensive anyways.) Add another fifty dollars and we have a Sage 2 (or theirabouts) what is our increase in performance this time? very little. Same blade steel. We moved to titanium scales that are more expensive to buy and manufacture. (the question of whether they are better is more of a personal preference thing, I love Ti.) When buying a Sebenza that last two hundred dollars buys you improvenments but if you aren't looking carefully you won't notice them. Perfectly centered blade. Totally even grinds. You're paying for mechanical precision. And Chris Reeve wins the Excellence in Manufacturing award at the annual blade show almost every year because that is where his knives excell.


Now for my two cents. The mechanical precision that is present in the sebenza is overkill. Yes to make and market the knives he does cost about what he charges. Chris Reeve does not operate on giant profit margins. I appreciate uility. I realized that a sage 2 was just as capable of accomplishing all the cutting tasks as my Sebenza. While it doesn't have a bushing, the top of the blade isn't chamfered, and the edges of the scales aren't finished, the Sage two is a knife that will easily last the rest of my life, just like the Sebenza. I chose to give up the mechanical precision that affected the utility not at all. You could take my argument farther and say that the Para 2 has the same utility as the sage 2 and you would be correct. that's where preference comes in. The sweet spot for me when thinking about utility, preference, and precision right now is the sage two. If I valued money more and earned less the sweet spot might be a Delica or even a Byrd knife. There isn't any one right answer for everyone, just a right answer for you. If you're really interested I suggest look for a good deal on a used sebenza. If you find it isn't for you sell it for a very small loss. If you like it, sell it and get one of the pretty ones.

Grizz
 
You are the only one who can say whether a Sebenza is worth the money or not. I have a very high opinion of my Spydercos and I have a very high opinion of my Sebenza. You might want to check around and see if someplace within driving distance carries Sebenzas and see what you think when you have one in hand.
 
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