Firearms at the convention?

SkagSig40

SkagSig40

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Should we bring them to talk about and to look at or should we just stick to Khukuris time willing?
 
As far as I'm concerned you can bring anything you want that's legal but the final decision on this will have to be made by Yvsa. It's his place and his call.
 
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I have no problem with thundersticks as long as good safety rules are followed.
And I know that they will be, have to expect that from the bunch here.:)
There as much a part of this group as the khukuris are IMO.
Sorta like good steaks, single malt scotch and good beer. Everything goes together.:)
 
Hmmmm. Could be a scary thing to ask me about bringing guns. I could arrive bent over and loaded down. I have a new AR-15 on order right now. If it arrives, I'll have to bring it. Is there something in particular somebody wants to see? I have lots of military stuff as well as "normal" civilian type guns.

Gregg
 
Catoosa has a pretty long history and I really know little about it, just that not too terribly many years ago herds of cattle where herded down the main street to the railhead where they were shipped to eastern markets.
That gives me an idea, perhaps I could call the local Catoosa paper and suggest they start running some articles on the history of this little town.:)

There was quite an uproar a few years back when some people wanted the Port of Catoosa to be called Tulsa's Port of Catoosa.;)
Yep, we have our own port!!!!
There are hundreds of thousands of tons of products shipped to and from all parts of the world from just north of our little
town.
The port is the end destination and the beginning harbor for the Verdigris River Waterway. (I know it's called something else, but that's close enough for a description.:))

There have been a few people, that for a lark, have started from here and went all the way to the Gulf of Mexico via the Verdigris Channel and then the Mississippi River.
The huge locks and dams have to operate for a small boat, even one powered by oars, the same as they do for the mile long barges pushed by the tug boats.
It's very similar to the Panama Canal except the locks and dams are much farther apart.
Not many people know about the transvoyage shipments that arrive and depart from here.
And now instead of cattle going to eastern markets there are all sorts of goods shipped and received.
Newsprint, the huge rolls of paper that newspapers are printed on are shipped in by barge and then many, many tons of good Oklahoma Wheat are shipped to world markets!!!!

We are the center most landlocked port in the world!!!!
And that's where Catoosa is.

Kinda funny, to me anyway, one guy wrote and asked me what the closest large town was as he couldn't find an airport that flew into Catoosa.;)
Don't worry, my lips are sealed. I don't tell all I know about everything.:D

Edited for spelling and to say.......
Uncle Bill had the short answer.;)
 
We hadn't been home in years, and the port was only a big political arguement when we left. Came into Tulsa from the south, at night, and saw "lights on the prairie" over the hills. OMG!! Literally hundreds of acres of overseas containers (the truck boxes, whose wheels {bogies} are removed so they will stack on deck or in the hold) and huge truck lots, shops, for miles up the pike. A herd of cattle could get lost, and never be found in that facility. Even if they'd been sprayed with Marco Polo :)

BTW - if anyone has their CCW and intends to carry in Okla., might be a good idea to check and make sure Okla. honors your state permit. Got to:

http://www.packing.org/

Find Okla. on the drop-down menu, scroll down to "Permits Honored by This State". The list isn't long,and my relatives tell me they can be very prickly (as in cactus) about the situation.
 
If I told you everywhere I'd carried my antique .38 you'd all think I was crazy and Berk would shudder as I sometimes do when I think how lucky I was. I was stopped three or four times by Highway Patrol or some local police (usually for speeding) over the years and there the old .38 was under the seat.

Who, me worry?
 
As long as somebody brought up firearms, figured I'd take this chance to get some advice - my recent searches of firearms forums have not been enlightening.

Having passed the half-century mark, I've elected to indulge myself - a Texas ccl class and a handgun are in my immediate future. It will likely be my only handgun and I haven't had any firearms for the last 20 years although there were a lot prior to that time. This peculiar state of affairs is directly related to a khuk loving, gun hating spousal unit that has granted dispensation for ONE ONLY in honor of my great age.

Given the restriction of "one only", concealability not an issue, missing my Redhawk .44 badly, can't handle small grips (even the Redhawk had Pachmayr grips), mostly used at a target range, occasionally silhouettes, what does the cantina feel would be a good choice?

I'm leaning real hard in the direction of a Desert Eagle XIX .50 - anybody know about these things? I haven't found much on Glock, but they seem to have a fanatically loyal following - any input appreciated. Durability is a concern - I used to, and probably will again, put a lot of rounds through whatever I've got - I've managed to shoot a model 29 loose where the Redhawk was just getting broken in. I may have gotten a "bad" 29 but whatever I get will not be a "display case queen".

Thanks in advance. See y'all in Catoosa.
Hawk
 
Hi Hawk,
I've used a Desert Eagle in 44mag and it is a HUGE framed handgun!!!:eek: Much to big for me! I have heard that it is a reliable gun though. I would think that it would be very uncomfortable even in the right rig for CCP. Glocks are great but I don't like that they don't have a exposed hammer, I like to be able to pull it back myself. I love SIG's!!! I think they are the best HG made today! My wife and I both shoot them and never had any problems! I also shoot Beretta and have never had any problems, both are built like tanks with REAL steel and no plastic!
 
Don't buy anything until after the convention, Hawk. There'll be a lot of good advice there from experts.
 
I know I will be able to get some help to carry my 30 some odd H.I.Khukuri's outside for display and fondleing.
That will give the guys who haven't seen that many different styles and sizes a chance to really make an informed decision.:D

Of course I will also need some help to put 'em all back in the safe too. And don't give me any flak that they all may not make it back into the house.:p
I know the people coming wouldn't do anything like that, but now If Tsimi was gonna be here I might have to count and catalog all of them to make certain none would make their way to the
dreaded cave!!!!:eek::D
 
Tsimi is very clever, Bro. If you had a security guard to watch over your collection all the while Tsimi would find a way.
 
Hawk,

Like Bill said, good issue to decide when we all get together. I can bring a good selection of guns with me when I come.

Your requirements are too broad for me to be able to help much. You say you are going to get a CCW but then you say concealability isn't an issue. And it must not be if you are interested in a Desert Eagle! They are monsters. They can be fun range guns once you get decent sights on them and maybe a trigger job. I can't imagine it being someone's "only gun" though! You mention both the Redhawk and the M29 so I must suppose you do like revolvers. The Redhawk is still in production and it is currently available in both .44 Mag and .45 Colt. It has a big brother that's one of my favorite guns, the Super Redhawk. You won't shoot that one loose! I'll bring mine to the party. I have the 9.5 barrel version, it is also available in 7.5. The S&W M29 has been improved. It will be marked inside the crane M29-3 (I think that's right, Rusty will correct me if I'm wrong.). They made changes to the revolver to enable it to hold up better over the long term. They are currently making a model called the Stealth Hunter in the S&W Performace Shop that I'm lusting after. 7.5 inch underlugged barrel and olive green. Very, very tight cylinder to barrel fit. Great deer or pig gun. (Of course all this S&W talk assumes you would even buy something from them. Many in the community are still boycotting them for their shameless, self serving cave in to the Clinton Administration. I haven't bought a new one myself since then. Now that another company bought them out I _might_ be willing to consider it.)

Oh yeah, if you want real power in a revolver, Ruger is making a version of the Super Redhawk in .454 Casull. That's more powerful than .50 AE and in a more reasonable package. I'll bring my Glock 17 as well. Perhaps an N frame S&W like my M57 .41 Mag. Yvsa likes my S&W 640 (.357 on Centennial style frame). I also have a Rossi .44 Special that's a good carry gun. Most of my other handguns are primarily hunting or Cowboy style shooters (single action).

I must say though, it isn't possible to only have "one gun." OK, Bill does it but that just makes him the exception that proves the rule!

Try to at least narrow the parameters. Semi auto or revolver? Can be used concealed or not? Some general idea on power? For instance there are some really great 9mm's available right now but maybe that's too small? And the ever popular, how much money do you want to spend?

I'm always ready to help when it comes to guns. Sure you don't want to get an FN FAL or AR-15 while you are at it? They are at all time great prices right now. Or a CETME or G3? So many guns, so little money.

Gregg
 
Great advice and many thanks - I'll definitely be holding off till after Catoosa - no longer any danger of ordering a DE sight unseen. Good questions raised too, here goes, although some are based on a 20 year faded memory...

CCL - Texas had transport restrictions without one - real handy even if no intention to carry concealed. Classroom stuff probably wouldn't hurt me either.

Preference is toward a semi-auto - the possibility of a decent single action trigger is an issue (evidently Glock won't be high on the list - double action only?). Trigger work is almost a given. It might be my imagination, but a recent Rem 870T trap gun seems to have 3 times the travel, twice the creep and 2 times the weight of what I remember - I was told this was due to the lawyers and I'd assume pistol triggers will need significant remediation. True?

I really liked the trigger on my High Standard Olympic and would like one like that again.

I had a Colt Gold Cup but couldn't warm up to it - I know I'm in a real minority in this but I'd prefer to stay clear of M1911's or clones. I know they're real nice, just not "me". Maybe just seemed too "rattle-ly" - anybody remember the auto-mag .44? The rotating bolt just felt better than straight blow-back. I never owned an auto-mag but it was a dream to shoot and I wanted one baaaad. 'Course, getting ammo was a trip.

I did have a fair slug of revolvers, almost all Rugers, two in .44 mag (I didn't remember the "super" in the Redhawk and Blackhawk designations - the memory is the first thing to go.), also a single six in .22 (fun) and a .357 mag. All had tiny little biting grips and triggers from he!!. The (super?) Redhawk was the favorite once a decent set of grips went on. Anyhow, I'd like to go in a different direction.

Since 90% of the rounds I fired were .44 mag and I wanted a "solid" semi-auto, the DE rang my chimes when I found it by accident a few weeks ago. I should also confess that I've been accused of using felt recoil as stress therapy - I was reminded today my plinkin' rifle was a Mark X action in 7mm Rem magnum, Canjar trigger, lighhtweight with a steel buttplate.

The Sigs and Berrettas look definitely worth checking out - would've missed 'em without the forum's help. As to more than one being inevitable - probably right.

Summary - Priorities
1. single action trigger - crisp not neccessarily light. Not neccessarily out of the box that way.
2. Decent iron sights.
3. Reasonably accurate out of the box. Should reassemble itself gracefully after each shot (Gold Cup, ahem).
4. .44 mag or over preferred but not drop dead neccessary.
5. Either big grips or something I can fix in the aftermarket (I have no explanation for this - I'm not big but I can't handle standard grips).

Thanks again guys. Hope the above helps to narrow it down.
Hawk
 
OK, let's clear up a few things.

The following are four _different_ models of Rugers: Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, Redhawk, Super Redhawk. All four are still in production. The first two are single actions, the second two are regular DA/SA style. You probably really did have a regular Redhawk. The Super Redhawk is a considerably beefier gun especially designed for various long range handgun competitions where lots and lots of full power magnums are used. Both have their place (that's why they are both still made). If you want big and powerful, you should check out the Super Redhawk in .454 Casull. It will shoot the high power rounds and will also handle any and all .45 Colts you want to put in it (like .357 handle .38 Special).

The Glock doesn't exactly have a DA trigger pull. It is more like a two stage trigger on older military rifles. There is a very light, long pull that stops and becomes a normal 5.5 pound single action trigger. There are small Glocks and big Glocks. They started with the Glock 17 (full size 9mm) and have progressed up to the Model 36 (single stack, small .45 ACP). If you went to a well stocked gunstore and tried various ones you would probably find one that felt right in your hands. The full size Model 20 in 10mm might be just what you are looking for. You would have to look around to find some of the high cap mags. The Model 20 originally shipped with a 15 round mag. Nowdays you only get 10 (but the gun will accept either one).

re: the whole auto thing. In general you are going to get quite a bit less power with an automatic. You mention Beretta and SIG. Good guns but top power is going to be either .40 S&W or .45 ACP. Neither one can hold a candle (in fpe) to .357, .41, .44, or .454 Casull. Yes, the DE can do so but that is part of the reason it is so darn huge.

There are all kinds of aftermarket grips to fit just about anything so that really shouldn't be an issue. You are going to get a better gunsmith tuned trigger out of a big revolver than you will from a typical auto IMHO.

You didn't say why you wanted a handgun instead of a rifle. If I was only going to have one gun it wouldn't be a handgun. Maybe it is because we live on 90 acres but a "working gun" around here is almost always a rifle. I wear a handgun around almost all the time but it is like having a spare tire in your car. When I really think that I am going to need a gun, I'll go back in the house and get the FAL, etc.
 
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