Firebow Studies & Experiments

How did the micarta work for you? I've seen a few knives with a dimple in the handle, but none showing other-than-new or reviewing how it worked. It seems like it would be rather abrasive in nature - and that's a bad thing.

Do you have access to deer in your area? If you'd like, I could write up a bit on making a "wise-man's drill" like you see in the pic I posted. Very fun to do and far far far better than going at it with a straight stick. After using one of them for so long, I doubt I could go back to the old way. :D

Definitely try that maple for a hand-piece. I'm sure you'll like it better once the dimple glasses over and starts running like a top. With a soft wood, you're drilling at both ends of the drill and that's robbing energy from where you want the friction!

Oh, if I might suggest, drop the paracord for your bow. While it works, it also stretches as it gets warm and the round construction doesn't grip the drill nearly as well as a flat thong twisted til round and used. I use half-tanned buckskin/rawhide for my traditional set, but prefer a regular old shoelace for the regular kit. You'll find that the twisted thong will really grip the drill bit and transfer the energy from the bow a lot better.

Hate to sound like I'm coming down hard on you. Just thought I'd share what I've learned over the years.

Get to any primitive skills classes or redezvous?

I like the idea of carrying a bow like you've done. My pack has PALS/MOLLE on the side, too, and I might just have to make a new bow to fit it!

Oh, and if you get a chance, would you try some of your favorite hearthwood, but get it from the root, not the trunk or branch? We're having a bit of discourse on this and the concensus seems to be that the "pockets" in the root, where nutrients are stored, make for a more abrasive but lighter medium (think swiss cheese). Similarly, the side of a limb that's under compression will have a denser growth to it and be harder to drill through or get a powder bed.

We haven't really been able to quantify this, but it does seem logical if you think about it for a minute. The real question is, is the difference significant enough to trouble over and how do you harvest the root wood with any regularity?
 
How did the micarta work for you? I've seen a few knives with a dimple in the handle, but none showing other-than-new or reviewing how it worked. It seems like it would be rather abrasive in nature - and that's a bad thing.

Do you have access to deer in your area? If you'd like, I could write up a bit on making a "wise-man's drill" like you see in the pic I posted. Very fun to do and far far far better than going at it with a straight stick. After using one of them for so long, I doubt I could go back to the old way. :D

Definitely try that maple for a hand-piece. I'm sure you'll like it better once the dimple glasses over and starts running like a top. With a soft wood, you're drilling at both ends of the drill and that's robbing energy from where you want the friction!

Oh, if I might suggest, drop the paracord for your bow. While it works, it also stretches as it gets warm and the round construction doesn't grip the drill nearly as well as a flat thong twisted til round and used. I use half-tanned buckskin/rawhide for my traditional set, but prefer a regular old shoelace for the regular kit. You'll find that the twisted thong will really grip the drill bit and transfer the energy from the bow a lot better.

Hate to sound like I'm coming down hard on you. Just thought I'd share what I've learned over the years.

Get to any primitive skills classes or redezvous?

I like the idea of carrying a bow like you've done. My pack has PALS/MOLLE on the side, too, and I might just have to make a new bow to fit it!

Oh, and if you get a chance, would you try some of your favorite hearthwood, but get it from the root, not the trunk or branch? We're having a bit of discourse on this and the concensus seems to be that the "pockets" in the root, where nutrients are stored, make for a more abrasive but lighter medium (think swiss cheese). Similarly, the side of a limb that's under compression will have a denser growth to it and be harder to drill through or get a powder bed.

We haven't really been able to quantify this, but it does seem logical if you think about it for a minute. The real question is, is the difference significant enough to trouble over and how do you harvest the root wood with any regularity?

Actually I liked the micarta a lot. I only got to start a half dozen fires or so with the one I got to work with but it only seemed to get really smooth inside, it wore nice and slick. I definitely noticed the friction on the head piece using the Poplar. If the cabinet shop down the street hadn't closed I'd get a few scrap pieces of hard maple, as is I'll be trying this Black Walnut just because it's handy.

Lots of deer in this area, just seldom go hunting much anymore...or yet anyway... so don't have any bone on hand. Wouldn't mind reading up on that wise man's drill of yours though...I do have friends and relatives that hunt regularly.

The paracord was just what I had on hand, I found a flat boot lace I want to try out.

That's ok man, thanks for sharing the input.

Never been to one yet...that may change though.

Thanks, glad you liked the bow idea!

I don't want to try that here if it means killing the cedars I have but I know where some fallen cedars are that I can try out. I felt bad enough when I got into the wood stripping bark. I don't want to cause permanent damage to the trees.
 
Blow-downs were about the only way I could see to collect root wood unless you happen by a construction site where they are clearing trees. Seems like a lot of work and luck, but I do "feel" that the root is giving me better results. Very hard to prove that, though.

The micarta worked well, huh? I wouldn't have figured it would smooth out like you're saying, but I'm not really familiar with the material. I'll certainly have to keep that in mind and might even incorporate the idea into one of my knives.

I bet that black walnut of yours will make a real pretty hand piece. I've always wanted to carve me a "ceremonial" thunderbird, but just keep plugging away with the same ol' piece of hickory I got at my first class. It works, but it ain't pretty!

As for the wise=man's drill, I find my deer bones on the side of the road or dump areas where locals throw away carcasses after stripping the wanted bits. Of course, my job keeps me driving around the back areas so I might run into them more often than most folks. Let me know if you need a bone and I'll be glad to ship you one or four. Always glad to help convert another..... :D

What you're looking for is the rear lower leg bone of a deer. It has a very squarish cross-section as is, and you're just going to square it off some more. Easy project for kids to get in on, too. Old bones work as well as fresh ones. I have bunches because I keep finding them and just can't seem to keep on walking!

I'll take some more pictures tomorrow. If I don't have any rawhide lacing left over, I can at least post a simple explanation instead of an in-depth tutorial.

Here's another pic since it's handy.

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What type of pack are you sporting in that first pic? I like the outside pockets. Mine is a Lightfighter RAID pack and the pockets are internal - makes it something of a pain to get at those 'need now' items.
 
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Thanks!

While you're at it could you do or show some in-use pics of the wise man's drill?
 
I'll try. Don't know if I'll have access to a cameraman to assist, but I might be able to get something worked out.

Promise you'll fall in love with the idea, and you'll look sooper cool with a bit of sexy kit when you roll up on some other primitive types! :D :thumbup:
 
Thanks!

Well...being a woodworker by trade...I'm already sure I'll end up carving a more..."ornate" bow soon....why not go all out eh?

Just don't chalk me up as a complete convert. While this is essentially a return to my original path, I once spent a lot of time study "late stone-age man"...Pandora's box is unfortunately already open. I'll still be continuing to study things from a modern urban perspective as well. Even looking for ways to combine the two.

As I whittled that bow I was sat staring at a roll up door I had just removed from a building wondering how I was going to incorporate it into an urban survival scenario.
 
Ornate bow, you say. I'll have to remember to take some pics of my sunday-go-to-meeting bow. Got a cow's rib in it!!!
 
Now that does sound interesting. I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking to wood...for now at least...I really like working with it.
 
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