First Busse and some first Impressions

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Hi everyone. This is my first Busse but I’m certainly not knew to knives.
I bought it from EBRfan (excellent person to deal with) and received my knife yesterday.

The knife is a Black Bushwacker Mistress with black canvas micarta handle.
The blade is pretty much ideal for what I have in mind; a large general purpose/survival blade. The type of knife that, in my opinion, answers the “If you could only have one..” question.
The knife certainly isn’t thin and even though I understand that other Mistresses are thicker. This knife is thick enough, and a thicker one would be too heavy to chop for long periods of time as well as slower when doing so, affecting both its capability as a tool and weapon if it ends up being used in that role. Blade’s weight, shape and thickness are just perfect.

The canvas micarta grip is comfortable. At times it may feel like a bit too think but I’d rather have one that is just a hair thinner than one that is a bit too thick, since this tires you faster after using it some time. Compared to the pictured Cold Steel short Bowie machete, the CS Bowie feels a bit better in the hand. The cotton canvas material is soft to the touch but the holes may end up causing blisters if used for long periods of time. In my experience a handle with no holes and no groves or bumps is preferred when you want to avoid blisters in those summer days when the skin is sweaty. The tip of the BWM could be a bit narrower but I understand how this could make it more fragile.

Of course the prima donna of the Busse is its INFI steel. I understand that, all things considered, its probably the best steel out there but I haven’t tested it enough. It did sharpen nicely, though at 59-60 Rc it may be just a bit too hard for an everyday use tool.
Due to the knives sober yet functional shape and sectional geometry, if the INFI steel lives up to its reputation, this may as well be one of the best knives money can buy.
Now for the things I didn’t like about it.
Notice the picture below. Knives come with sheaths as its an integral part of any sharp tool.
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Left to right: Silver Facon, custom made with a Collins machete, Busse BWM, Cold Steel Bowie Machete, Machete Artilleria Eyersberg. Schebaum & C Solingen 1898, Buckmaster 184

The BWM sheath is the white piece of carton pictured below. Compare it to other sheaths. The Cold steel’s sheath isn’t pretty, but you know what? At least there IS one. And for a sub 20 dollar knife it does work darn well. Of course I could have one made, Kydex, leather, titanium or gold, but at least it comes with one and I don’t have to worry about my new knife not having a sheath.
Busse is a product of excellence, and no matter if you end up having a custom sheath made for it afterwards, it should come with one. Maybe a choice between kydex or leather, maybe just one depending on the intended use of the specific model being sold, but SOME sort of sheath is light years away from a piece of cardboard around the blade. Busse customers aren’t exactly indigent, for the price of the knife some sort of sheath should be included.

Second criticism, the edge it came with. Mine was inspected by “11”, and I tell you I was disappointed with how sharp the knife was. I read that this was an issue but I didn’t expect it to be this bad. Mine even had some wire edge close to the tip that I had to get rid of. This is the type of edge Bellota or Tramontina machetes come with, mostly because they are thrown in a shelf at Home Depot and they don’t want people to get cut.
A knife is a cutting tool by definition and any knife that takes pride in itself should come as sharp as the quality of materials and craftsmanship allows. My Tramontina table knives (typical serrated ones) they come with a certain edge, the pictured Buck 184 “Buckmaster” is sharp enough to shave, with ease, out of the box.

I’m not sure what’s the point of having best steel in the planet if the edge doesn’t reflect its capability when brand new. Yes, after sharpening you see what its capable of. But you don’t buy a Ferrari, only to have the dealer tell you “Yes… you might want to take it to the mechanic, we sell you the thing but we done tune it for you so leave it in the mechanic for a few days. You can’t really hit the road as is”, as he hands you the keys to your brand new premium car.
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Nice paper curl after sharpening my new BWM

These are intended as constructive criticism, the things I’ve observed and what I’d do to make one of the best knives in the world king of the hill beyond doubt.
I’m very pleased with my Busse and would buy another Busse knife again.:)

FerFAL
 
Nice first Busse

As for the sheath, there were a couple reasons why Busse stopped coming with sheaths.
One was a cost management issue, making the knives a little cheaper for customers. The second reason was that everybody is different. So what one customer likes another will not, so that is why when you get a sheath for your Busse, it is one that suits YOU best.

As for inspector 11, the issues been taken care of. Between my dad and I, we have 5 or 6 knives from 11, some edges were okay, others needed work, orthers fine. But Busse will take care of it for you if you send it to them.
 
Congratulations on your first Busse! Go use it and enjoy it! :thumbup:

Valid criticism to a point. I kind of thought the same way when I first started buying Busse. Here are a few things I have learned since using my first Busse and many others.

As to the sheath:
Busse just started including little rubber nets between the blade and the cardboard in order to prevent scratches and smoothing which for some absurd reason detracts from the resale value (of an unconditionally guaranteed blade no less) for a "cosmetics are everything" safe queen type collector/dealer. Imagine how including useful sheaths would affect that since you can read so many "never been sheathed" or "some smoothing from sheathing" comments in sales thread descriptions. Also, some knives are never sheathed and only stored so the flippers really don't care if there is a sheath and want to buy low (so do I) and sell high which is their choice. It's the beauty of capitalism (not a bad thing if greed is not combined) and the Busse culture. You get to pick the best sheath for the best knife for a combo that works for you the way you want it to, but that may not be what someone else would pick. There is no way for one factory sheath to make everybody happy which is why they are no longer included, but the cardboard does it's intended job of preventing injury.

As to the hardness:
Once you do actually use it, you will understand that the hardness of INFI is not a good comparison to other steels. It reminds me of the old intel vs amd processors comparing only an assigned MHz number instead of actual real world performance or different diesel engines using only the rated horsepower instead of torque as you would use it in the real world to accelerate from a stop where horsepower is useless. Rc is one of those things that is really only a good measure between two samples of the same kind of steel (not as important) given the same kind of heat treatment (extremely important) or apples to apples. Basically, it is just a reference to compare it to the hardness of other INFI blades, not other steels as at the same hardness most will fail LONG before INFI.

As to the sharpness:
The BWM was initially offered over a year ago and the sharpness issue didn't really get addressed until around the time it stopped being offered on the site. Like M67 said, it was a problem that has since been addressed and if you buy any other new Busses made after that point that have a "Sharpened by:" sticker on the sheath you won't have any complaints about the edge. I shaved my face for Christmas with a SAR 6 sharpened by Beef. And yes, some of the CG or coated blades can seem a little weak if not sharpened past the heat treatment layer, but once that point is passed you will know because it won't be a problem anymore. Also, I accidentally cut myself clean and painlessly down to the bone through jeans on my leg last year with the very kind of "less than shaving sharp" edge you are saying was inadequate. :eek: :( So keep in mind, shaving sharp just makes it that much more dangerous for you in everyday use while really not affecting chopping, stabbing or splitting ability much if at all. Seriously, and this is not aimed at a specific person, if you plan on using your "survival" knife only to slice paper or shave then life must not be that rough. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks M67, as I said, I'm still happy with my purchase and still plan on buying more in the future.
Good to know the sharpening problem was taken care of. When I dragged my nail towards the edge and it caught at the very end of the edge (wire edge) I was like, come on!:o
As for the sheath, I know what you mean about it being personal, but then I'm sure a lot of us regard it as a practicality problem, have something so as to safely handle the knife and those that want something personal can get one done to suit them. It wouldn't have bothered me (actually it would have preffered it) to pay 30 -40 bucks more for a basic plastic or cordura sheath.
Still not sure what do do, have one made here in leather by a local artisan or buy a kydex one on line.

FerFAL
 
Congratulations on your first Busse! Go use it and enjoy it! :thumbup:


Thanks. As I said, just constructive criticism. The BWM worth every buck I paid for it.
What’s the proper name by the way, Bushwacker Mistress, or Bushwacher Battle Mistress?

As to the sheath:
Busse just started including little rubber nets between the blade and the cardboard in order to prevent scratches and smoothing which for some absurd reason detracts from the resale value (of an unconditionally guaranteed blade no less) for a "cosmetics are everything" safe queen type collector/dealer. Imagine how including useful sheaths would affect that since you can read so many "never been sheathed" or "some smoothing from sheathing" comments in sales thread descriptions. Also, some knives are never sheathed and only stored so the flippers really don't care if there is a sheath and want to buy low (so do I) and sell high which is their choice. It's the beauty of capitalism (not a bad thing if greed is not combined) and the Busse culture. You get to pick the best sheath for the best knife for a combo that works for you the way you want it to, but that may not be what someone else would pick. There is no way for one factory sheath to make everybody happy which is why they are no longer included, but the cardboard does it's intended job of preventing injury.

Scratching and sheath wear isn’t really an excuse. You could include the sheath but not ship it in it. That way collectors aren’t worried about such things. When I bought my fist Cold Steel SRK (the older Carbon V ones) it came in a box and a very nice black leather sheath. The knife was inside the box but in a small bag, the blade itself covered with white cardboard just like the ones that comes with the Busse. A detail of a firm that isn’t what it used to be, the razor sharp edge of the SRK that had no black epoxy finish was even covered with a thin layer of white grease to avoid rusting. Having said all this I still understand what you mean. Company policy is to not include the sheath, but let me leave you with a final thought: How many memorable knives, production or custom made don’t include a sheath? Janpanese swords and knives, they had very nice sheaths. Randall Made knives, to be delivered 2015 if you buy today, those come with a standard sheath. Ruana, Scagel, they sould you knives with a sheath.


Also, I accidentally cut myself clean and painlessly down to the bone through jeans on my leg last year with the very kind of "less than shaving sharp" edge you are saying was inadequate. :eek: :

What the hell where you doing? Crappy sharpness is jsut that. As it came, I could have dropped the knife on my lap and it wouldn't have cut my jeans. No reason to lie here, just saying things as they are.

( So keep in mind, shaving sharp just makes it that much more dangerous for you in everyday use while really not affecting chopping, stabbing or splitting ability much if at all.

My grandpa told be a sharp knife was safer to use and I believe that to be true. :) No one is doing you any favors with a poorly sharpened knife and two inches or wire edge close to the tip.

Seriously, and this is not aimed at a specific person, if you plan on using your "survival" knife only to slice paper or shave then life must not be that rough. :rolleyes:

Never said I plan on using my "survival" knife for cutting paper. What I'm saying is that it should at the very least cut paper when brand new out of the box, don’t you think?
My idea of a survival/general purpose knife; a knife that can chop wood for fire or shelter. A knife that, after doing just that, I can touch it a bit with a stone and process food, slice through a tomato instead of crushing it, slice and chop meat too. Got my Glock but if it comes to that, yes, used a weapon too.
I use scissors or my Victorinox Minchamp in my keychain for cutting paper. I just did that to show how sharp it is after properly sharpening. The knife is still perfectly capable of doing what its supposed to do since I didn't change its angle, just sharpened it properly... you'r the one that supposedly shaved with his knife...

FerFAL
 
Part of the idea behind the combat grade is to put less work into the finish of the knife,
making it more affordable to own some INFI.
Just wait until you see what's under that coating:cool::cool:

This is no excuse for the problematic edges that were coming out at the time your knife was made,
but it's been resolved and is old news.
Jerry even made a public appology....

You did not even get yours directly from Busse,
but you can still send it in at any time:thumbup:
 
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Thanks man but no, not a problem. Already sharpened it nicely. ;)
Just looking for a good sheat, any suggestions guys?

FerFAL
 
Thanks man but no, not a problem. Already sharpened it nicely. ;)


Sweet, now admit that it took less time to make right than typing this thread:p:p

You are going to enjoy that knife,
Welcome to the trough:thumbup:
 
Also, I accidentally cut myself clean and painlessly down to the bone through jeans on my leg

Pics or it didn't happen :D;)

What the hell where you doing?

Slicing deep into yourself is easier done than said.

I have a shaving sharp 22 inch Ontario machete and got my leg pretty good. 10 external stiches, 3 or 4 internal, it was about 1.5 inches deep (cut at an angle), barely missed the tendon, stopped short of the bone.

It happens, the thing is when you do something like that, it happens so quick so you don't feel the knife actually cutting you, you just see the aftermath :foot:
 
Pics or it didn't happen :D;)



Slicing deep into yourself is easier done than said.

I have a shaving sharp 22 inch Ontario machete and got my leg pretty good. 10 external stiches, 3 or 4 internal, it was about 1.5 inches deep (cut at an angle), barely missed the tendon, stopped short of the bone.

It happens, the thing is when you do something like that, it happens so quick so you don't feel the knife actually cutting you, you just see the aftermath :foot:

I think it was Wayne Goodard that was sharpening a "dull" knife, the knife slipped and the belt grinder sent it through his hand up to the hilt accord to him.

FerFAL
 
FerFAL,

Congrats on the new blade! If it is anything like the BWMLE I can see why u would categorize it as a 'do it all' type knife. It seems that all of your concerns have been addressed aside from the sheath situation.

If you like leather I would highly recommend ChuddyBearLeather. I can recommend him so highly because he has made a lot of sheaths for me and he is a true gentlemen to deal with. I never recommend a maker I have no dealings with but there are other leather sheath makers that will be highly recommended also. The choice will really come down to your personal preference IMHO.

For Kydex I always go Mashed Cat. Again, the same logic stated above is applied here.

Good luck finding the best fit for your style, intended use and budget.

Kevin
 


As to the sheath:
Busse just started including little rubber nets between the blade and the cardboard in order to prevent scratches and smoothing which for some absurd reason detracts from the resale value (of an unconditionally guaranteed blade no less) for a "cosmetics are everything" safe queen type collector/dealer. Imagine how including useful sheaths would affect that since you can read so many "never been sheathed" or "some smoothing from sheathing" comments in sales thread descriptions. Also, some knives are never sheathed and only stored so the flippers really don't care if there is a sheath and want to buy low (so do I) and sell high which is their choice. It's the beauty of capitalism (not a bad thing if greed is not combined) and the Busse culture. You get to pick the best sheath for the best knife for a combo that works for you the way you want it to, but that may not be what someone else would pick. There is no way for one factory sheath to make everybody happy which is why they are no longer included, but the cardboard does it's intended job of preventing injury.

This is true and I would add that if Busse included a sheath as they once did, then we would have somebody starting a thread complaining how they didn't like the Busse sheath for this or that reason. I'd rather have the choice of getting a sweet kydex or leather sheath to my liking, but that's just me. ;)
 
FerFAL -- Welcome to this forum; I'm glad to see that you made the trip from Glock Talk's S&P forum!;):thumbup: Having read many of your posts over there, I think folks here will find that you have a LOT of valuable experiences and insight.:D
 
Thanks. As I said, just constructive criticism. The BWM worth every buck I paid for it.
What’s the proper name by the way, Bushwacker Mistress, or Bushwacher Battle Mistress?



Scratching and sheath wear isn’t really an excuse. You could include the sheath but not ship it in it. That way collectors aren’t worried about such things. When I bought my fist Cold Steel SRK (the older Carbon V ones) it came in a box and a very nice black leather sheath. The knife was inside the box but in a small bag, the blade itself covered with white cardboard just like the ones that comes with the Busse. A detail of a firm that isn’t what it used to be, the razor sharp edge of the SRK that had no black epoxy finish was even covered with a thin layer of white grease to avoid rusting. Having said all this I still understand what you mean. Company policy is to not include the sheath, but let me leave you with a final thought: How many memorable knives, production or custom made don’t include a sheath? Janpanese swords and knives, they had very nice sheaths. Randall Made knives, to be delivered 2015 if you buy today, those come with a standard sheath. Ruana, Scagel, they sould you knives with a sheath.




What the hell where you doing? Crappy sharpness is jsut that. As it came, I could have dropped the knife on my lap and it wouldn't have cut my jeans. No reason to lie here, just saying things as they are.



My grandpa told be a sharp knife was safer to use and I believe that to be true. :) No one is doing you any favors with a poorly sharpened knife and two inches or wire edge close to the tip.



Never said I plan on using my "survival" knife for cutting paper. What I'm saying is that it should at the very least cut paper when brand new out of the box, don’t you think?
My idea of a survival/general purpose knife; a knife that can chop wood for fire or shelter. A knife that, after doing just that, I can touch it a bit with a stone and process food, slice through a tomato instead of crushing it, slice and chop meat too. Got my Glock but if it comes to that, yes, used a weapon too.
I use scissors or my Victorinox Minchamp in my keychain for cutting paper. I just did that to show how sharp it is after properly sharpening. The knife is still perfectly capable of doing what its supposed to do since I didn't change its angle, just sharpened it properly... you'r the one that supposedly shaved with his knife...

FerFAL

Ok. Again, I am trying to be helpful here so welcome to the world of Busse, where everything you thought about knives previously may be tested in one way or another. Your requirements for chopping wood and then taking a stone to the knife demonstrate that, but you won't understand until you try it yourself (the tip here is you won't need the stone after chopping like most other knives). All the other knives you mentioned aren't made by Busse and vice versa. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just explaining what my time and personal experience with INFI over the past year plus have shown me to be true. Your mileage may vary, but only time will tell.

You got lucky with your SRK. The one I bought in Iraq from the PX was not shaving sharp out of the package when I needed it most to be. It did come with a tacticool kydex sheath though.
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Thankfully about 30-60 seconds of leather stropping is all it usually takes to fix a wire edge. Or at least that is all it took on the 2 out of 4 I ordered direct from Busse that came that way. :cool:
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Or maybe this removed the wire edge... no that was much later after the handle smoothing and sharpening past the heat treatment layer of the Pumpkin BWM user I kept. Shown here with a few other users in a test of "just in case I need it to".
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I also found that while I love the design of the BWM the uneven forward belly of the handle can be uncomfortable under heavy use with no gloves.

The link to how I cut myself USING a different Busse knife (hint: how one usually cuts one self) is at the bottom of this thread.

Pics or it didn't happen :D;)



Slicing deep into yourself is easier done than said.

I have a shaving sharp 22 inch Ontario machete and got my leg pretty good. 10 external stiches, 3 or 4 internal, it was about 1.5 inches deep (cut at an angle), barely missed the tendon, stopped short of the bone.

It happens, the thing is when you do something like that, it happens so quick so you don't feel the knife actually cutting you, you just see the aftermath :foot:

You can say that again. Sounds like we both got lucky, and I am glad to hear it. I wasn't going to reply again, but you called me out on the pics so I kinda felt obligated LOL.

The pics and the story are in this old thread. I'm far from the first one to do this so I am not sure how anything really sharp ever qualifies as safe, but the user may be more cautious after realizing that the sharp way a time or two. :p
 
You can say that again. Sounds like we both got lucky, and I am glad to hear it. I wasn't going to reply again, but you called me out on the pics so I kinda felt obligated LOL.

The pics and the story are in this old thread. I'm far from the first one to do this so I am not sure how anything really sharp ever qualifies as safe, but the user may be more cautious after realizing that the sharp way a time or two. :p

That's not that bad, I bet it left a cool scar though. I really like the snakeskin though :eek::cool::thumbup:

Here's a link to my "Doh!" scars:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9093243#post9093243

My wounds are about halfway down.

"I'll drink to your leg, you drink to my jeg" - Jaws (close enough quote)
 
Nice KnAAF! Got one just like er. Mine actually has a very sharp factory edge and I know it wasn't made recently. It's sharp enough to shave my arm clean. Also I just recieved two knives from Busse that are SCARY sharp(thanks to Garth)--they just pop the hair off the skin with no effort.

As for the sheaths-- I have to say, I really like the custom sheaths that I have recieved so far, far more than any sheath that I have ever recieved with a knife. To me, when it comes to certain things in life, you get what you pay for at least sometimes. And if there's something that you really appreciate, you go all out--it's not like this a Ferrarri forum. To me, getting a sheath separately is like spending more money to get something nicer. It would seem to me that the types here that have spent a considerable amount of money on Busse knives aka HOGS! are the types that will sometimes spend more in an effort to get more or better, not to say that they are all big spenders and never look for a bargain. And I'm not trying to say they are all rich either- I will spend an extra buck on a handgun, a knife, and the health of my dogs to get the best I can. Ferrarri--expensive, this STUFF--naaa.
 
INFI is easy to sharpen. And I'm a girl. :p

Between writing for my blog (www.ferfal.com) , answering email (and a bit more every now and then for a 2nd book I’m working on) I easily write about 3000 - 5000 words per day and have been doing so for the last couple years, so its fairly easy to blurb yet another post. Just saying that writing is pretty fast for me that’s all, not complaining about INFI.:)
FerFAL -- Welcome to this forum; I'm glad to see that you made the trip from Glock Talk's S&P forum!;):thumbup: Having read many of your posts over there, I think folks here will find that you have a LOT of valuable experiences and insight.:D
Hi Tom, it’s a small world! At least when it comes to guns, knives and this sort of stuff. :D
This is true and I would add that if Busse included a sheath as they once did, then we would have somebody starting a thread complaining how they didn't like the Busse sheath for this or that reason. I'd rather have the choice of getting a sweet kydex or leather sheath to my liking, but that's just me. ;)
That’s something I’ve learned. There’s always going to be someone that complains. Sell a 50 dollar Busse and someone will bitch about you not selling it for 40 and so on. Would people complain about paying 30 bucks more for a sheath? Maybe one will complain, but 50 others sure would be happy to be able to use the tool right away, even if they end up buying a custom sheath later on. The Junglas is a good example. People not only don’t complain about its sheath, its one of their best selling points. In the end you have to do what you think is right, and not worry about the 1 in 100 idiot that will complain.
If I wasn’t happy with my Busse I wouldn’t have wasted time writing about it so guys, don’t take it personally.

FerFAL
 
FerFAL - the lack of a sheath with Bussekin knives led me to making my own, and I'm glad that it did. I make my own "Plain Jane" sheaths and they work just fine, though I DID buy an excellent sheath from Lost Mountain Iron Works.;)
I'm glad that Jerry seems to have resolved the sharpening issue - many of us have received knives that really needed a good sharpening. My Battle Pappy, sharpened by "Beef", was great!:thumbup::thumbup: If you ever have a problem with a Busse knife, just follow Jerry's instructions that he posted and "stickied". They WILL take care of you!:thumbup::thumbup:
 
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