First Gun My Wife Buys Herself- Won't Work

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It was our anniversary and her birthday. A few weeks later when in Billings to my delight she agrees to look at handguns. I put a Ruger 22 semi auto in her hand- too heavy. I stand back. She tries them all on and finally asks about a little Walther P22. The looks aren't great to her, but the composite design and just-right reach appeal to her.

We have errands to do but she agrees she'll go back when I'm seeing the Doc and get it. I learn in the car later it was the same display model, and the clerk had trouble switching this horrible import requirement safety on the side to 'safe'. He had to lay on the counter and put the weight of his arm into the key.

Today we go shooting, or at least some of us did. The little P22 didn't. It went click. We tried to move the safety- no go. BUt the safety was in the fire postion- the clerk had merely moved it to safe and got it wrong. It woudn't fire on any position. No cartridge had a indent. Worse of all, at the urging of my wife and my friend standing there to put more force on it, (which the manual also advised) the key went sideways and buggered the plastic reciever hole to the safety.

The entire concept of this hole is insanity- it is merely a location where dirt and oil and water can destroy the slide of the gun, but it is there for 'our safety' and such safties are required of all imports.

I do not live in a UPS two day air zone. I must drive all the way back to Billings and have Big Bear Sporting goods send it in. I am really hoping they simply give my wife another gun.

Final confession- as a former drunkard, I can only wonder what 'normal' people do and feel. When something like this happens, I feel shame. I feel as if upon entering the world most people have the tools to navigate through and I do not.

We learn as get older, if we get older, that this is not true, that everyone is inadequate one way or another. But it is real hard telling yourself that when your wife finally, after 16 years, picks out a hendgun, and the bloody thing doesn't work.

Let this be a reminder of something else, for all HI's real or imagined small troubles, it has always been true that should one return a blade to Uncle Bill, he can do so no questions asked.

My 100 year old design 1911 did work. But now my wife is saying things like forgetting about guns and getting her money back, and this was supposed to be a hobby we enjoyed together. And we have- with my guns only.
What a shame.


munk
 
Even though it says "Walther" on it, P22s don't have a good reputation for reliability. TPHs can be cranky, too.
 
While I can't pretend to be a "normal person" would feel( we can ask Bruise, he can tell us). Normally in similar circumstances I feel anger, if it is done to someone else, especially one that I am trying to bring into the world of guns and self reliance. If it happens to me I normally am interested in the problem, and how to solve it.

If it was an area that I knew nothing about, like automobiles, I would likely feel as shamed as I do when I'm told that "all you had to do was ....".

However I do know a bit about guns, I'd call Wather directly.

Walther

If that doesn't work, try a Browning Buckmark. It is what I have and have taught several women how to shoot using it. Decent trigger, realitively low cost, and similar to a Hi Power, a great "woman gun", must be why I carry it about 1/3 of the time.

I appreciate you opening up to us as well. While I've been visiting the cantina for quite awhile, It is starting to feel more like family. Disfunctional, but that is how I spell family.
 
The Buckmark is a joy to shoot, makes one a better shot, is idiot/Kismet proof, and stabilizes the shooter's hand with solid, well-balanced weight. I got mine used. There are various incarnations, barrel lengths, grip formats...all the same action/capacity.


Er...take responsibility for those things for which you are responsible. For those things for which you are not responsible, let them go. :)

Kis


(Second edit: Dr. Jean Houston, human behavior somethingorother, said:
"A normal person is someone you don't know very well."

Kismet says: "It's just life. Do what you can, try and grin at the rest.")
 
See if you can return it, Munk. I don't know if there's anyone like this out your way, but there a dealer here who'll let a customer test fire a used gun before buying.

And I second Kismet's last statement, wish I was that eloquent.
 
I have a Buckmark, and some others. The problems with Walther and this particular gun were supposed to have been resolved the last few years. I've read of a safety problem. This was the one that felt good to my wife in her hand.

We know about taking responsibility for your own actions. At painful moments, I tend to kitchensink a problem, and can too easily believe it fits a pattern of mine, and others incompetence.

This gun just isn't unreliable- it doens't shoot at all.



munk


munk
 
I've been intending to look into shootin' stuff. Something I wanted to do since high school but never got around to doing.
 
I recommend a revolver for a new shooter. I own a Ruger 22, but I also have a Smith K frame 22. I would get a small frame 22 in stainless for a novice.
- preferably a Smith.
 
Munk you might want to look into a S&W 32/22 Kit Gun. .22lr DA revolver on a "J" frame. They are not in production now, but can be had at shops, shows, & etc. pretty resonable now that the craze is on for anything that holds 3 dozen cartridges & is semi-auto. Nila carries hers a lot here on the place. Hers is blued with a 4" barrel, but they can be had with 2" barrels also. It is accurate, light weight, small & fun. Her other revolver that makes a lot of trips with her is a Colt Detective Special .38 spec., 6 round, revolver with a 2" barrel. It, like the S&W, can be fired with 'snake shot' & etc. Although she shoots semi-autos in .22lr, 9mm, & ,45 ACP well, she prefers revolvers.
 
Even Tom Sawyer was smart enough not to go into the cave all by himself.

You should know better than to try to go into your own mind, munk, without having a responsible adult supervising you. *

( Yes, I forget and try to do it all by myself, too! )

* Later edit: standard saying around recovery groups - applys to former drunks and addicts, but also to many others. In fact probably one of the reasons Buddhists want you to have a Guru or guide.
 
The Sig-Sauer P230? Isn't it small, compact, easy to use? What drawbacks does it have? Cost?
 
Sorry to hear of your troubles, Munk. It's always a sensitive operation to introduce somebody to something new. I really hope you can find something else for her. My wife is good on handguns, likes my Ruger MkII and wants a Colt Python of her own (of course, pick the expensive one LOL), but I still haven't got an iron-sighted .22 to start her on longarms.

I haven't seen one of those internal locks that was worth a $#!^ yet, your story only confirms it. And if you think that's fun, wait until the "smart gun" :rolleyes: stuff arrives.
 
Smith and Wesson and Walther - USA are co-located at the same address in Mass.

About two months back I walked into one place with a bunch of new S&W's and all the revolvers in the cases had the keyhole lock above the cylinder release.

Despicable!!!

I'm serious. I not only won't buy post-agreement Smiths, I won't buy Kimbers because they buy their cheapo parts ( the name used to be sintered metallurgy - has a new name but is still the equivalent of cast junk *) from Smith.

That's right. One of the means S&W stays in business is by making parts for Kimber and other guns. And making Walther designed pistols under the S&W label. I won't buy Walthers anymore either.

* Edit: Metal Injection Molded - MIM is the current phraseology
 
Dude, there aint no gun in the world that is designed to have some bubba stand on the lock to make it work. the moron didnt know what he was doing and the store owes you a new gun outright.
What a retard.
He needs to read the damn manuals for once before he destroys more pistols.

I took takako t oshoot a real gun last thanksgiving. It was her first time to touch a real gun. We shot my charter arms bulldog 44 special.
She acted scared at first, but she liked it afterwards.
Smith and wesson makes a really nice 22 semi auto pistol and I have never been anything but happy with S and W.
 
This was/is my wife's gun. Doesn't matter what I would buy her.



These frame locks are everything Rusty hates. You can put munk down on the list of those who will not own one.


You can guess what I think of guns designed to read your prints before firing. That'll come in real handy if my fingers are smeared with dirt or blood, not to mention my wife grabbing it to protect all of us if I'm not availble.

munk
 
I just talked to the clerk who sold it and the Manager. They will give us a new gun when we make it in in a couple weeks.

I'm going to send a follow up letter confirming this and thanking them. I don't want anything to go wrong. Frankly, if you have to use so much force to turn the safety that it buggers the hole, that isn't your fault, but the gun's or gun design.

I hope it all works out and my wife will be OK with it.

Semper- A glock would have been OK with me, or a Ruger, or any decent revolver. Arty- my wife has been shooting over the years- just never with a gun she selected and purchased herself.

munk
 
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