First impressions from GEC compared to my Rough Ryders from a traditionally un-trad-knife guy. Main point is Case, though (?)

I wont buy a RR, just because where they are made, but I hear they are good knives for the money. I also wont buy GEC anymore, because I'm not into the hoops that have to be jumped through for most of them and generally don't spend that kind of money on knives anymore. The only exception to that would possibly be a forum knife, if they ever make it in a pattern I cant resist. That leaves me with Case, which are still on my purchase list on occasion. Problem with them is the ones I have purchased have been very hit or miss with quality. I am more of a function over form guy, so I don't really care about gaps, or even slight blade rub in a multiple blade pattern, but nothing turns me off more than blade wobble. More often than not my Case knives have had wobble, blunted tips, and were not terribly sharp. Ironically, the best one I have ever gotten was one of the cheapest. It was one of the camo plastic handled trappers and that thing has no wobble, is sharp as hell, and doesn't rub at all.
 
Some really great replies here thank you for your input! Will give a more in depth read today at lunch, yesterday was my anniversary!
 
I wont buy a RR, just because where they are made, but I hear they are good knives for the money. I also wont buy GEC anymore, because I'm not into the hoops that have to be jumped through for most of them and generally don't spend that kind of money on knives anymore. The only exception to that would possibly be a forum knife, if they ever make it in a pattern I cant resist. That leaves me with Case, which are still on my purchase list on occasion. Problem with them is the ones I have purchased have been very hit or miss with quality. I am more of a function over form guy, so I don't really care about gaps, or even slight blade rub in a multiple blade pattern, but nothing turns me off more than blade wobble. More often than not my Case knives have had wobble, blunted tips, and were not terribly sharp. Ironically, the best one I have ever gotten was one of the cheapest. It was one of the camo plastic handled trappers and that thing has no wobble, is sharp as hell, and doesn't rub at all.
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Sorry for the late reply. This is the one I meant, but poorly described.
 
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Sorry for the late reply. This is the one I meant, but poorly described.
No problem. It seems we have a tendency to complain about sharpness but the one I mentioned was much sharper than I could accomplish so no complaints from me.
 
Another Stockman broke its spring- first ever knife to do this to me last year. CASE dealt with it quite quickly and efficiently. I just know I would not get this level of commitment from GEC (even e-mailing them you are very lucky to get a response...) and RR I would not know whom to contact and the shipping costs would be bigger than the knife's.
SMKW for Rough Ryder and Marbles.
They DO stand behind their lifetime warranty.
I have a pre "MR" number Marbles Hawk Bill with metal handle. It was stored closed in a cigar box for a few years. A couple years after my stroke, I was able to get that cigar box of knives (and a few other knives). When I looked at the Hawk Bill, I saw the back spring broke at some point while in the cigar box.
I sent SMKW an email with photos, mentioned it was an older knife without an "MR" number - or even "MARBLES" etched on the blade, and I had bought it off Amazon years before, and had no idea what the order number was or who the seller was.
They sent me a new knife at no charge, and said to keep the broken one.
Keep in mind this is an inexpensive knife. Current price is $6.⁹⁵. I think I paid $5.⁹⁵ plus free (not "PRIME") shipping for the first one.

I later bought a Marbles MR278 "DEMO" knife with a no MR number Marbles SPORK.
It arrived in a hang pack, all four blades half or slightly under half opened, to "show off" the blades.
Yep. Broken back spring before it came out of the hang pack.
They sent a replacement WITH the no MR number SPORK, even tho I told them there was nothing wrong with the SPORK, and I would be more than happy to just get a replacement MR278 with no accessory. Again, they did not want the broken knife sent to them.
In 50 years that Rough Ryder is going to be worth the same as it is today.
INCORRECT!!!! 🤯🤯🤯😳😳😳😳

There is a review on You Tube for the Rough Rider RR887 large Outdoorsman series "Smooth Tobacco Bone" equal end Sufish.

I paid $9.⁹⁹ with free (not "PRIME") shipping on Amazon, and the same for a back-up, at a truck stop in ... South Carolina(?) ... Georgia(?) ... that had a rack of knives including Rough Rider, near the ready made no wait hot food, in the store.

The guy doing the review video said "I just bought this knife for the review on (the unmentionable here big auction site) for "ONLY $60.⁰⁰ PLUS SHIPPING, AND AT THAT PRICE I STOLE IT!!!"🤯🤯😳

Discontinued Rough Rider/Ryder knives on AAPK are selling for 2x to 3x the "when new" price.🤯😳
(admittedly, still under $30~$40 for the most part ... You ain't gonna pay Junior's college tuition ... or lab fees and what some text books cost ... sellin' off your Rough Riders/Ryders ... or Case/GEC for that matter.
Amazingly used and discontinued standard Rough Rider/Ryder, and the offshore COLT, Marbles and Schrade prices are going up; not (to be honest, as I expected) stagnent or dropping.😳

UPDATE
I recently won a CASE 10375 "Green & Black" Micarta (I must be color blind ... I see no green) stockman, made inside the last couple years.
No issues other than a VERY slight blade rub tween the Sheepsfoot and Spey. (BTW, Case claims blade rub is to be expected on the stockman pattern, and is NOT covered under their warranty. That RR, Marbles, Böker, GEC, and others can build two spring three blade stockmans without blade rub is irrelevant. 🙄)
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I read an essay a few years ago about the architecture of McMansions - about how they put various architectural details together in ways that don't make sense, that show no understanding of the proportions and aesthetic balance that made those details iconic in the first place. It made me think of Rough Ryder knives.

Sure, I can look at a particular RR and identify whether or not it's supposed to be a stockman or a trapper, but it shows none of the grace and balance and design flow I see in a GEC or Böker or vintage Empire or Lionsteel or yes, Case.

So even if RR knives were perfectly made (and I didn't care about country of origin) I don't think I'd own any because they never look right to me. Obviously, YMMV - I know at least one member here (who has a fantastic GEC collection) who has said he doesn't like Case because he thinks the blade length to handle length ratio is always off. While I don't agree (I love most Case designs), I respect where he's coming from. If somebody else really likes RR design, more power to them! But they're not for me.

On the quality question, I'll briefly pass over RR - the handful I've seen ranged from poor to terrible fit and finish, but others report better results, so maybe I've just seen a bunch of bad ones. Maybe our assessments of good vs bad quality are very different.

For GEC, I own several fixed blades and they are all fantastic. I've owned a few of their folders, and all but one are extremely well made, but that one was a clunker (and I no longer own it).

For Case, my story is less straightforward. For years, I would look at Case knives in the hardware store display, but never bought one because they were all so very flawed. Then I got a couple, made in 2020, from an online vendor, and they were fantastic - very well made (one is as well put together as any GEC I own or have seen). I've bought several more since then (both online and from the hardware store) and they've all been great, with one exception. (And that one, ironically, is one of my most carried knives these days.) Whatever caused Case knives in the '00s and '10s to be too poorly made to earn my money seems to have been resolved, because I am a huge fan of Case knives from the '20s.
 
I read an essay a few years ago about the architecture of McMansions - about how they put various architectural details together in ways that don't make sense, that show no understanding of the proportions and aesthetic balance that made those details iconic in the first place. It made me think of Rough Ryder knives.

Sure, I can look at a particular RR and identify whether or not it's supposed to be a stockman or a trapper, but it shows none of the grace and balance and design flow I see in a GEC or Böker or vintage Empire or Lionsteel or yes, Case.

So even if RR knives were perfectly made (and I didn't care about country of origin) I don't think I'd own any because they never look right to me. Obviously, YMMV - I know at least one member here (who has a fantastic GEC collection) who has said he doesn't like Case because he thinks the blade length to handle length ratio is always off. While I don't agree (I love most Case designs), I respect where he's coming from. If somebody else really likes RR design, more power to them! But they're not for me.

On the quality question, I'll briefly pass over RR - the handful I've seen ranged from poor to terrible fit and finish, but others report better results, so maybe I've just seen a bunch of bad ones. Maybe our assessments of good vs bad quality are very different.

For GEC, I own several fixed blades and they are all fantastic. I've owned a few of their folders, and all but one are extremely well made, but that one was a clunker (and I no longer own it).

For Case, my story is less straightforward. For years, I would look at Case knives in the hardware store display, but never bought one because they were all so very flawed. Then I got a couple, made in 2020, from an online vendor, and they were fantastic - very well made (one is as well put together as any GEC I own or have seen). I've bought several more since then (both online and from the hardware store) and they've all been great, with one exception. (And that one, ironically, is one of my most carried knives these days.) Whatever caused Case knives in the '00s and '10s to be too poorly made to earn my money seems to have been resolved, because I am a huge fan of Case knives from the '20s.
Great write up, Tyson. I agree 100%. Something about the blade combos and blade shapes is just off to my eye with RR. I am glad that people like them however. The things I like people hate (speys 😂). It’s what makes collecting pocket knives so interesting.
 
Great write up, Tyson. I agree 100%. Something about the blade combos and blade shapes is just off to my eye with RR. I am glad that people like them however. The things I like people hate (speys 😂). It’s what makes collecting pocket knives so interesting.
On my various stockmen I always think of the short spey as the blade I use when everything else is dull. My Case Trapper opened my eyes, though - I use the spey a lot, and now I keep eying your collection of speys and thinking I gotta get in on that at some point...
 
Don't mind RR especially the whimsical ones, I don't care for their "American heritage" lines as it just seems disingenuous.

Their Reserve line are really well made and the Black Appaloosa series are really nice looking.

Still with the sentiment of the room though as I always prefer American made.
 
A hypothesis about case: if you can do some research ( this very forum is the place) you can make some good guesses as to the best of times and worst of times to buy a model you want. You may not get the option you want.
For example, a cayenne crandal jigged sod buster is high on my list of would like to have. I also know that was produced in early 2023, not really a good time for case. I have some other sod busters from 1976, to early 2024. 1976 was a vintage year and every aspect of that simple pattern is flawless. 2024 is not flawless but very close to some GEC or equal to my worst example and would buy again.
In summary, American slip joint makers are similar to vinters, not all years are equal. And we haven't even started on the newcomer, Cooper. If I do not take into account country of origin, the three Rose craft I have experience with are my favorite. Followed by the good years of case.
Cheers,
 
Sure, I can look at a particular RR and identify whether or not it's supposed to be a stockman or a trapper, but it shows none of the grace and balance and design flow I see in a GEC or Böker or vintage Empire or Lionsteel or yes, Case.
The Reserve series ("RRR" tang stamp) can be a bit ... "out there" ... but their standard ("RR" tang stamp) look like anyone elses in the same pattern.
RR (equal end cigar) Moose; Stockman; Canoe; Loom Fixer; Trapper, Marlin Spike, and Barlows shown for examples.
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My only equal end cigar Moose are (four) of the 'RIDERS OF THE SILVER SCREEN' series. Same movie cowboy artwork as the Camillus made of the 1950's and 1960's (except the RED RIDER-LITTLE BEAVER knife; Camillus gave both their own knife. RR put them on the same knife. Rough Rider made some changes in the knives to prevent them from being sold as a now somewhar rare and collectable (and much more expensive) Camillus ... or being used as a parts knife to restore a vintage Camilus.
Among other things, STAINLESS STEEL BLADES, a Spey instead of SpearPoint secondary, the (ugly) giant "R" cast into the bolster that cannot be ground or polished out (without thinning the bolster at least 1/8 inch or so, at any rate.), both blades have a deep RR tang stamp
Also, there are only five knives in the Rough Rider series. Camillus had at least 15 different movie "cowboy" hero knives to choose from, including LASH LARU and Roy's wife & co-star, Dale Evens.

The RR 1569 moose I'm carrying might be a bit atypical with the curved frame, squared bolsters, and extra belly Spey/Skinning blade.
However ... For what it is worth, the RR1569 was a COLT knife until 2017, when COLT got out of the cutlery market.
SMKW held the COLT license at the time, and moved several COLT knives over unchanged (other than tang stamp and shields) to the Rough Rider line, including the Black G10 & Ti coated Carbon Steel series, which include this Moose (RR version). I don't have the CT number at my fingertips) and CT609 canoe. and the "BUCKSHOT BONE" series.)

Since I have the CT609 canoe I have not felt the "need" to get the RR version. 🤔😇
Please iggy the Douk Douk in the photo. 😁👍
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I "wish" people wold stop "thinking" the ... "unusual" ... "ugly" ... and expensive RRR styling, and unusual blade profiles is "standard" on ALL the Rough Ryder knives.
I like the standard "RR" knives.
I haven't seen a RRR that piked my interest, or desire to have one, other than MAYBE the "kayak" ... but for what they are asking for it ... they can keep it ... and all the other "RRR". I R not interested. 😇
 
I primarily buy GEC because they're the best balance in quality that you can get for the price. I never had interest in RR knives because something just feels off about them as Tyson A Wright Tyson A Wright alluded to.

I've had really bad luck getting any Case knife over that past three to four years that wasn't incredibly low quality. Blade rub, blade wobble, backspring gaps, bolster gaps, any gap you can think of, and grossly mismatched covers.

This thread has inspired me to order another Case knife for shits-n-giggles to see if the claims of recently improved quality are true. I'm giving Case one final chance with my purchase of the knife below. Stay tuned for the follow-up when it arrives. 😎 My expectations are lower than the Mariana Trench. 🥲

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Great write up, Tyson. I agree 100%. Something about the blade combos and blade shapes is just off to my eye with RR. I am glad that people like them however. The things I like people hate (speys 😂). It’s what makes collecting pocket knives so interesting.
Tyson & Paul, I'm apparently the most pitiable of knife enthusiasts ;) 🤓 , with TWO strikes against me:
1) I like RR and
2) I like spey blades (not my overall favorite blade shape, but better than clips and wharncliffes – on a trapper, I almost always use the spey instead of the clip, and it's a fine blade on a stockman).

Here are some knife fantasies (no RRs in these pics, though):

- GT
 
Tyson & Paul, I'm apparently the most pitiable of knife enthusiasts ;) 🤓 , with TWO strikes against me:
1) I like RR and
2) I like spey blades (not my overall favorite blade shape, but better than clips and wharncliffes – on a trapper, I almost always use the spey instead of the clip, and it's a fine blade on a stockman).

Here are some knife fantasies (no RRs in these pics, though):


- GT
Nothing wrong with liking either, Gary. Us spey people need to stick together.
 
I "wish" people wold stop "thinking" the ... "unusual" ... "ugly" ... and expensive RRR styling, and unusual blade profiles is "standard" on ALL the Rough Ryder knives.
I like the standard "RR" knives.
I haven't seen a RRR that piked my interest, or desire to have one, other than MAYBE the "kayak" ... but for what they are asking for it ... they can keep it ... and all the other "RRR". I R not interested. 😇

In my post I was talking about the regular Rough Ryders, not the RRR line. Their regular line seems to be trying to make fairly traditional folders, but I the visual flow of their designs are all off for me. The RRR line seems to be doing something else entirely.


I primarily buy GEC because they're the best balance in quality that you can get for the price. I never had interest in RR knives because something just feels off about them as Tyson A Wright Tyson A Wright alluded to.

I've had really bad luck getting any Case knife over that past three to four years that wasn't incredibly low quality. Blade rub, blade wobble, backspring gaps, bolster gaps, any gap you can think of, and grossly mismatched covers.

This thread has inspired me to order another Case knife for shits-n-giggles to see if the claims of recently improved quality are true. I'm giving Case one final chance with my purchase of the knife below. Stay tuned for the follow-up when it arrives. 😎 My expectations are lower than the Mariana Trench. 🥲

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I'm probably going to track of those down eventually too, but they don't quite make the combo I want - I want amber jigged bone, but as a single blade. Hope yours works out well for you!

Tyson & Paul, I'm apparently the most pitiable of knife enthusiasts ;) 🤓 , with TWO strikes against me:
1) I like RR and
2) I like spey blades (not my overall favorite blade shape, but better than clips and wharncliffes – on a trapper, I almost always use the spey instead of the clip, and it's a fine blade on a stockman).

Here are some knife fantasies (no RRs in these pics, though):


- GT

No, no, no - no strikes against you. You like what you like, and it doesn't completely match with my tastes, but who cares? If I ever hire you to be my Official Knife Buyer, I guess we'll have to have a stern talk about how the clip point is the best blade shape, but until then, you do you!
 
I liked GEC a lot more when they were attainable easily from dealers and were like a “premium” Case. I still like them (and was amazingly able to buy one of the Farm & Field models tonight new at a dealer!) but do find it hard to justify paying $125-200 for a slipjoint that realistically should sell for $85-100.

I like the Case patterns, and if they could come closer to the GEC ethos (pinned shields, less weird random special editions, 20% better QC at 10% higher price) I’d be all over them. As is I don’t buy many new.

RR I’ve had fantastic luck with intrinsic quality… very close to Case, sometimes even GEC, for much lower price. If they didn’t have so many small, weird design choices that make me think the owner only has a vague understanding of slipjoint patterns, and were not made in Red China, I’d buy nothing else. As is, I buy a few now and again but find it hard to really love them.
 
RR I’ve had fantastic luck with intrinsic quality… very close to Case, sometimes even GEC, for much lower price. If they didn’t have so many small, weird design choices
I only have two RR (a mini-trapper and a peanut). The weird design choices are on a spectrum, and from the looks of it RRR sits closer to one end. I've thought a few times about getting one, but haven't pulled the trigger yet.

That said, I really like my RR peanut. It does everything a peanut should. The RR mini-trapper was a gift, and I'm not really into that pattern. (I'm keeping it, though, because one of my kids has a Case mini-trapper that she loves. I expect that she'll find the RR and claim it one day.)
 
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