First knife and sheat finished.

Bigfattyt

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(if this is the wrong place to post these sorry, I tried in the knife maker's gallery, but it would not let me start a thread, so I guess that is only for real knife makers).

So, after a year, I finally finished my first knife (only had stolen moments to work on it). You may remember very early posts with progress shots.

The steel is 5160 from this forum. The thickness started at .25. All the shaping was done with hand files.

I heat treated in my tiny grill, and did a "shade tree" heat treat. I took it to non magnetic, for a few, then quenched it in mystery oil (following a tutorial I had read before). I then tempered twice for an hour each at 400 degrees F.

The handle is G11 (if I remember from the description).

Pins are brass. My drill broke, and I had to drill the handle scales with an old hand crank drill. I used 2 ton epoxie on the handles, and gave it a mustard patina. The only part done with a machine, was finished the shaping on the handles with a 1x30 belt sander I just got (man did that save some time and elbow grease, but I did make some mistakes on the already finished parts of the handle, kind of roughed it up in a few spots).

I did sharpen with the slack belt, but finished it on sand paper/mouse pad, then strop. I need to improve on sharpening on a slack belt, I rounded the tip and edge a smidge. They used to be perfectly straight, now a tiny bit rounded at the very corners.

I won't likely try another sub hilt design, till I get better. It really took a one time to hog that finger hole out with a rat tail file.

I made a sheath from two pieces of scrap leather. I wet molded it, but was not patient enough to wait and see if the sheath tightened up enough as it dried out (I made it at midnight, and had to catch a plane in the morning, so I was in a hurry). You can see where I clamped it down with some c clamps, without enough padding to keep the clamp marks from showing. I tightened it too much too. But the sheath is a nice firm hold.

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Size comparison (with 3 inch Busse Game Warden)
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before

my high tech tools
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started filing off the bevel, eventually made it a full height grind.
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Looks great to me! Little "razel" influence ;)

I really commend you on finishing a knife especially using hand tools. That's really shows your dedication to learning the craft.

Now on to the next one :D
 
Looks great to me! Little "razel" influence ;)

I really commend you on finishing a knife especially using hand tools. That's really shows your dedication to learning the craft.

Now on to the next one :D

Razel influence for sure! I love them. Of course they are a million times better, even the CRKT production ones.


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When you tally up all the materials on this knife, I bet I spend 15 bucks on the actual knife materials, including the sheath. I spend more on tools, but those I can use for everything. Even including the little grinder I just bought, I bet I am still under $150 for all my stuff.

Now I need to buy some real quenching oil for 5160, and get some sort of temp gage so I can get a repeatable, optimal heat treat. The knife holds a good edge, skated a file, but I am sure is not optimal in the heat treat department at all.
 
Good Work! pretty good for a first! I've done a few grill heat treats before. they can be intresting to say the least... (Hey neighbor whatchya grillin?... Oh! err uh you know you cut the food with that dont ya...) I really like your file work! you might try using a angle guide for your file on your next. you have an awfully lot of rounding on the blade, normally a convex bevel is flat ground and only the bottom 1/2" - 3/4" is convexed. other than that You did a heck uva good job


Jason
 
Good Work! pretty good for a first! I've done a few grill heat treats before. they can be intresting to say the least... (Hey neighbor whatchya grillin?... Oh! err uh you know you cut the food with that dont ya...) I really like your file work! you might try using a angle guide for your file on your next. you have an awfully lot of rounding on the blade, normally a convex bevel is flat ground and only the bottom 1/2" - 3/4" is convexed. other than that You did a heck uva good job

The grind was almost perfectly flat, before the convex edge I put on it with a slack belt. It looks round in the photos, but if you lay a file on it, it is still flat, up until the convex. The front main bevel did loose a bit of flatness with the sharpening. If I had done all the work with a grinder, I would likely have done a full height convex down to a zero edge.
 
Congratulations! :D

You made something useful and beautiful with your own hands. :thumbup:

Can't wait to see what you come up with next.
 
Looks good. .25" thick with files is not easy but at least you used a small managable design.
 
It sure slices nice. And the front edge push cuts well (both will pop hair, I love the ease of keeping convex edges sharp).

The next one, will be done on the little grinder. I had to start somewhere. I am thinking a small set of three warnies, one for me, one for my dad, and one for my older brother.


Some time I will finish this one, when I get the time, and a way to heat treat that long of a blade. It is actually the first one I started right before the the little ugly. The primary grind needs to be smoothed out, and the handle still needs a ton of work (another maker helped me with this one, and let me play on his 2x70 grinder on this one)

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I will probably make more small ones before finishing this one up, to sharpen my skills more (because chicks love guys with skills, nunchucken skills, bow skills, knife making skills)
 
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Next time you do a finger hole I found it really helps if you drill a few 1/4 inch holes, then cut into them with the hacksaw and snap off the vertical links with pliers. Finish it with a half round double rasp bastard.

Looks good. Did you do the bevels without a jig? Insanity.

Like the patina, gonna have to try that sometime.
 
Next time you do a finger hole I found it really helps if you drill a few 1/4 inch holes, then cut into them with the hacksaw and snap off the vertical links with pliers. Finish it with a half round double rasp bastard.

Looks good. Did you do the bevels without a jig? Insanity.

Like the patina, gonna have to try that sometime.

No jigs, just the files, patience and a lot of cursing (first time I tried the bevel on the tip, got one side done, did the other side perfectly opposite, oops, had to cut the entire tip off and start again, with a shorter blade as a result).

I was going to do the drilling the holes for the finger cut out first, but my drill crapped out. That tiny mini hack saw is next to worthless. It took many hours, and many many blades to cut out the profile.

I found that the patina really keeps it from being as rust aggressive. Now I can touch the blade and not have it rust all up.
 
It sure slices nice. And the front edge push cuts well (both will pop hair, I love the ease of keeping convex edges sharp).

The next one, will be done on the little grinder. I had to start somewhere. I am thinking a small set of three warnies, one for me, one for my dad, and one for my older brother.


Some time I will finish this one, when I get the time, and a way to heat treat that long of a blade. It is actually the first one I started right before the the little ugly. The primary grind needs to be smoothed out, and the handle still needs a ton of work (another maker helped me with this one, and let me play on his 2x70 grinder on this one)

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I will probably make more small ones before finishing this one up, to sharpen my skills more (because chicks love guys with skills, nunchucken skills, bow skills, knife making skills)

Hay i recognize that knife, still haven't heat treated it yet. it is a big blade and would be hard to do with your grill. i have a good forge now so if you come down again for Christmas stop by and we will harden that puppy up for you.
 
I am actually in provo right now. But I did not bring the big one down. I started this little one, because I could heat treat it on my own. I wish I had brought the big one with me, I would come over and get it heat treated

I knew with my high tech "ghetto" heat treat, I would just screw that big one up. I want to practice a lot on smaller pieces before even thinking about it. I had several makers offer to throw it in with their next batches of 5160's but my old computer crashed, and I lost the names of the ones who offered.


Maybe I will have to stop by anyway, I hear you are working on a beast of a sword for some one! Good to hear from you JT. I am still grateful you hooked me up with some bars of 5160 while I was down last time, although it made packing for the return flight more work!
 
BigfattyT,

Congrats on your first blade! This post feels very familiar to me, as I am probably 10 months into a similar project (1/4" 5160, all done by hand with no guides, only using a belt grinder to shape the handles) that I hope to finish today.

I don't know about you, but I would recommend anyone thinking of starting out to NOT use anything so thick. It takes forever and could easily lead to frustration and/or giving up before you ever finish.

Congrats again, I am intimately familiar with how much time and effort this type of project requires.
 
Thanks for the good feed back.

I was a bit miffed at trying to get that handle shaped in the finger hole area. I sure took some of the clean'ness out of the overall finish by using the minigrinder to shape the handle scales, but can't complain as it saved me forever trying to file those handles down, especially without a vice.
 
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