First knife, practice

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I started a knife today, its kinda my first real attempt. I dont have any good steel to work with, just a few feet of 1/8 in and 1/4 in low carbon cold rolled stuff, which I know wont make a good blade. But i figured its good to practice on for shaping it and making handles till I get my hands on some good steel.

I was wondering about a heat treat, I read a couple people say that it's not even worth doing a heat treat on cold rolled steel, that it wont get hard. All I have to heat it is a cutting torch, no forge yet. Gonna build a little one in a few days. And will a water quench be good? or might it need a faster/slower quench? I heated a small piece bright red and quenched in water, it seemed harder when I tried to file it and hammered it. Lol, highly scientific test methods.


Here's how it looks. Did part of the grinding with an angle grinder and the rest with files on a file jig I set up.
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Looks like you're off to a good start. I practiced my grinding on 1018 after I got smart after wasting a mile of 440c. Perfect your grinding technique and don't bother with H/T until you get some treatable steel.
 
Alrighty. That sounds like a good idea, I'll just keep working on doing the stuff that I can do then, grinding and handles. I made some scales for this one out of a piece of cedar, almost done with it. I'll put a picture up in a bit
 
Honestly there really isn't much to practice grinding if you're using files and a jig. The nice thing about files is they allow you to not mess up quickly like a grinder can :D. My opinion profiling and putting the bevels on a knife is the "easy" part. It's the hand sanding, attention to detail, fit and finish, etc where all the pain in the neck stuff comes in. For a first attempt that looks great so far! Imagine how nice it would be to actually take it from that to an actual functional, finished knife. Why waste the time and effort making something that will never be a functional knife? You can pick up high carbon steel like 1084 or 1095 for 25 bucks or less depending on the dimensions. Fill out your profile you might even have a maker near you that might have something you can buy or possibly get for free near you that you can learn a ton from. Use something you can HT or send out for HT and make a real knife with it. You clearly have the skills and ability to take a piece of steel and make it look like a knife. And if your first one or first 20 don't come out perfect who cares? You learn something new from every knife you make but if all you're doing is getting a fraction of the way there you're only going to have a very limited skill set. Every build from start to finish is going to increase your abilities that much more.
 
^^^^^^^^ Yup, what Fletch said. Details and good heat treat are what separate the men from the boys. Good steel isn't that expensive. If you didn't know your ass from your elbow when it came to using tools it would be a different matter. Then I'd say practice on scrap until you have more experience. But you obviously have a good feel for what you are doing. So go ahead and use the good stuff. Make the handle and finish it up. Then make another and another. What I would say though is to go and look at A LOT of knives. There are gallery sections on this site and many many threads with knife pictures in them. Take a look at how the experienced guys/gals design their knives. Notice the flow of the piece, the graceful curves and proportions, handle shapes and many other details. This will give you a head full of ideas for your next one and help you refine the look of your tools. This knife shaped object looks good but a bit stiff design-wise. Keep going and keep us posted with your progress.
 
My opinion is that you should buy a piece of good steel for the very next knife because even if it disappoints you when finished you will want to keep it. Also if it is a good piece of material you will be even more careful in making it and it will probably turn out well and be worth heat treating and using.
 
Looks good so far. You can't harden this knife, because it isn't a hardenable steel ( at least not in the knife sense).

Read the stickies for lots of info on doing HT with simple equipment ( torch) and a magnet.

Fill out your profile with all the info. There might be a maker nearby who would offer some steel and help.
Here is the BF search engine:
https://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=011197018607028182644:qfobr3dlcra
 
Thanks for the input guys. Probly gonna buy some steel today, 1095.

Here's the handle, everything is sanded to 400 and pinned with brass. Used cedar from a dead tree in the backyard, lol.

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Buy 1084...you can't really HT 1095 right with your equipment. It is covered in the stickies that I suggested.
 
Irony looks pretty good so far. let us know when you have a reliable way to HT 1084 because I have an extra foot of 1/4'' x 2'' with your name on it.

Also I saw the 314 in you name and thought damn hes in my area code I could just drop it off but now I see your in ks lol. either way Its yours free of charge.
 
@bladsmth, I finally read through the sticky, all kinds of good stuff and links in there. I want a grinder now, lol. I'll get 1084. Read alot about heat treats on it, looks like it wont be too hard for me to handle.


@redd, that'd be really nice. Is there any way I can email you or something? I'd pay shipping
 
Dont worry about the shipping its time I gave back to this awesome site in the the only way I really can. (pay it forward if you will). If you want you can just send me a private message with where I can send it to.
 
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I'm kinda digging that shape. The lines are clean and simple, but still way cool...
Thanks, I looked at a lot of knives and ended up liking that blade shape after I drew a few on paper. I actually did it all in one day; its obviously not much of a knife, lol, but overall it didn't take nearly as long as I thought it might.

Dont worry about the shipping its time I gave back to this awesome site in the the only way I really can. (pay it forward if you will). If you want you can just send me a private message with where I can send it to.
I guess PMs are only for paying members, I left you a visitor message

Thanks, alot of useful stuff in there. I noticed that post is also in the sticky that I read
 
I just saw you're a fellow Kansan... I'm further east than you but still Kansas.

I made my first two knives using files. It can be done, and it can be done well.
This one is the first I finished, completely by hand without the benefit of a belt grinder.


Work toward the grinder but files will teach you patience and precision; VITAL elements.
I used 1095 on my first several and sent them to Darren Sanders (member here) for heat treat.
 
I just saw you're a fellow Kansan... I'm further east than you but still Kansas.

Speaking of you Ks gentlemen, any of you guys making it to the Overland Park Knife and Gun show this weekend? I am thinking of making the trip to check it out.
 
I doubt I'll make the Overland Park show, but it's highly likely I'll be going to the Heartland Bladesmithing Symposium in October. It is put on by the ABS and hosted by Kansas Custom Knifemakers Association.

Chris
 
I just saw you're a fellow Kansan... I'm further east than you but still Kansas.

I made my first two knives using files. It can be done, and it can be done well.
This one is the first I finished, completely by hand without the benefit of a belt grinder.


Work toward the grinder but files will teach you patience and precision; VITAL elements.
I used 1095 on my first several and sent them to Darren Sanders (member here) for heat treat.


That looks really nice.

I got a few feet of ⅛ inch 1084 and some micarta a couple days ago to start off with. I spent the last few days working on a tanto. Pictures below; its not perfect by any means, but I'm pretty thrilled with how it turned out.
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Before heat treat, finished filing and sanded to 600

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After heat treat, starting on handle

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Almost done sanding handle...that micarta is tough stuff

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Finished knife. Pictures aren't that great
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I also built a propane paint can forge, gets steel above non magnetic pretty easily. To heat treat it, I heated the blade above non magnetic for a couple of minutes then quenched in canola oil. Warped very slightly, straightened out easy tho. Then let it air cool to room temp and popped it in the oven at 400 for an hour. Its definitely harder, file wouldn't hardly cut it.
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