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Actually, that's not true at all. What you're talking about is inertia, and has nothing to do with centrifugal force.
Originally Posted by SAKowner
Indeed, there is no such thing as "centrifugal force".
That aside, is there any folding knife that can´t be opened by "flicking it hard"? By design, folding knives, well, fold and unfold. Create sufficient momentum and any folding knife will unfold.
Indeed, there is no such thing as "centrifugal force".
That aside, is there any folding knife that can´t be opened by "flicking it hard"? By design, folding knives, well, fold and unfold. Create sufficient momentum and any folding knife will unfold.
Yes. But in NY people have been arrested for possession of locking knives that can be opened this way, and charged with possession of a "gravity knife", and convicted. Arguments that these knives don't actually open by centrifugal force fall on deaf ears in NY.
Now it looks like the same kind of law is coming to Texas. Why?
In the past 40 years anti-gun politicians realized that they won't be able to destroy the 2nd Amendment outright. So they keep chipping away at it with laws that aren't too controversial. Sadly most people (the NRA included) haven't paid any attention to anti-knife legislation even though it's a violation of the 2nd Amendment just as much as the Washington D.C. gun ban.
What does the "right to keep and bear arms" mean anymore when the only knife you can legally carry is a non-locking SAK and it's virtually impossible to legally own a gun. That's how it is in NYC. That's what Mayor Bloomberg and his "coalition of Mayors" are trying to bring to your town.
Atkins et al v. KAI USA, Ltd. et al may be just another frivolous lawsuit. Or it may be something more sinister.
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-txwdce/case_no-5:2009cv00014/case_id-340290/
I see the plaintiffs are demanding $5 million. For what? Does this lawsuit look familiar to the lawsuits designed to bankrupt gun shops and gun manufacturers?
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I don't know if this is allowed here but......this case is a load of crap!!!
People get attacked by people, and people will find a "weapon" no matter what it is or what law is in place.
This is just a typical,"bad knife, why did you hurt this person, knife" Geeze, they act like knives have a mind of their own and go out stabbing people.
No matter what laws they throw out, the criminals will always find a way. And if they outlaw "Gravity" knives
I guess I'll be a criminal too 
Sorry for the rant, but damn, stuff like this gets me heated. Nobody wants to take any responsibility for themselves.
People get attacked by people, and people will find a "weapon" no matter what it is or what law is in place.
This is just a typical,"bad knife, why did you hurt this person, knife" Geeze, they act like knives have a mind of their own and go out stabbing people.
No matter what laws they throw out, the criminals will always find a way. And if they outlaw "Gravity" knives
I guess I'll be a criminal too Sorry for the rant, but damn, stuff like this gets me heated. Nobody wants to take any responsibility for themselves.
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I wonder if they realize that centrifugal force does not exist. Has anyone argued this?
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Its another case of Judges making legislation. Regardless of your politics, the whole affair of the Marriage Amendment and the Ca Supreme Court should really piss everyone off.
As a side note, it seems that for the Thomas case every one of the justices were female. I have no problems at all with female judges but all five justices were female. In my experiences, from the women I have known, there is a different approach to logic amongst the genders. I can totally see my wife, in a similar situation and under time restraints, saying that a button on top of the handle and and a button on the handle really makes no difference and that the 'apparent effect' of each is the same so they are the same thing.
As a side note, it seems that for the Thomas case every one of the justices were female. I have no problems at all with female judges but all five justices were female. In my experiences, from the women I have known, there is a different approach to logic amongst the genders. I can totally see my wife, in a similar situation and under time restraints, saying that a button on top of the handle and and a button on the handle really makes no difference and that the 'apparent effect' of each is the same so they are the same thing.
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As someone above posted, criminals will always find weapons. Either they will purchase them illegally, duh, or will find something else to use. Due to the anti-gun laws in England there has been a drastic decrease in gun violence. Great! Of course there has been a drastic increase in knife violence. And now the knife laws are getting more and more restrictive. I wonder when trees will be outlawed because wood can be made into a club.
Logic, but also socialization in most cases. I know my own mum (same age as these judges) watched me open a Cold Steel Ti-lite an exclaimed "Oh my god, where did you get a switchblade?!"
Personally though, I blame the cop for just saying the most ignorant thing I have ever heard about knives.
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I had that happen with a retired, very LOAD talking, gentleman at Thanksgiving Dinner. This gentleman is a complete expert at everything (was giving photography advice because he owns a point and shoot). I opened my Kershaw Leek and was informed, "You do know switchblades are illegal right?"
I wonder how much is age related versus just not being interested in the object of discussion. There are many older users on the forums who enjoy AO knives but I would guess there are many more older non-users who would categorize them as switchblades.
I wonder how much is age related versus just not being interested in the object of discussion. There are many older users on the forums who enjoy AO knives but I would guess there are many more older non-users who would categorize them as switchblades.
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I agree with what a lot of you have said already. Criminals will always find a way to hurt people, by outlawing guns and knives you are taking away the ability for law abiding citizens to protect themselves.
Many people here carry a concealed handgun everywhere they go, but they could go to jail because their knife opens too fast? Give me a break. This makes even less sense when you consider that fixed blade knives can be carried here. There is nothing faster than that.
I am starting to worry about the world that is being left for my generation. When the lawmakers have so little common sense to realize that if it takes longer for a bad guy to open a knife to commit an assault, they will just do it before they begin the assault, or find something else to use. Why can't these clowns find something else to worry about? Oh, I forgot that outlawing knives and guns will improve the economy, end racism, end pollution, and fill the skies with rainbows.
Many people here carry a concealed handgun everywhere they go, but they could go to jail because their knife opens too fast? Give me a break. This makes even less sense when you consider that fixed blade knives can be carried here. There is nothing faster than that.
I am starting to worry about the world that is being left for my generation. When the lawmakers have so little common sense to realize that if it takes longer for a bad guy to open a knife to commit an assault, they will just do it before they begin the assault, or find something else to use. Why can't these clowns find something else to worry about? Oh, I forgot that outlawing knives and guns will improve the economy, end racism, end pollution, and fill the skies with rainbows.
I disagree in this instance.
Yes, unfortunately judges do, at times, "legislate".
But in my view, the trouble in this case was caused by Texas legislators who wrote the goddam law!
Legislating from the bench, to me, is when judges basically invent new laws.
That did not happen here.
This is some screwed up written legislation, not judges legislating from the bench.
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Moreover, I've been reading some police forums, and - at least in NY, where there is a similar law - many cops seem to LOVE this law. Bragging to each other on their forums about seeing a knife pocket clip, stopping the perp, finding and then flicking open the perp's Delica (or whatever) - and laughing about getting "another easy collar".
I'd like to see our LEO buddies here on BF and elswhere help us fight these types of laws, rather than favoring them for the purpose of "easy collars".
rifon, I have not seen those PD forums, but there have been NYCPD for years that looked at a "gravity knife" arrest as a quick good collar. One of the points I was making in my other post showing how many persons are stopped a year simply for a weapons check. I assure you that some where around 70 % of the "gravity knife" arrest happen in the last two weeks of the month, when a visible pocket clip, out line of a knife in a pocket, or belt sheath are seen by a officer who has not made his monthly collar. They are enforcing the law, but not a good law....To make matters worse, in the last 5+ years, weapons arrest have been considered a good response to a robbery spike in a certain area, so if there has been an increase in robberies, the the conditions units and anti crimes ( those guys in taxis and other plain cloths assignments) which actively look to make numerous weapons arrest to show what is being done to stop the robbery increase.....
Besides what you described as a "quick good collar", it is also a back-door approach to gun control as well. Unless the arrestee with the so-called "gravity knife" is able to plea-bargain to something less (highly unlikely in NYC), conviction is almost a certainty. If this happens, the newly-minted felon will not be able to own any firearms or ammunition anywhere in the United States. In fact, this new felon can be re-arrested and tried on new felony charges in some states if he/she is found in possession of a knife or other weapon, not necessarily a firearm. One such case happened to a convicted felon in New Orleans (caught with 4" folding knife in pocket by police after a prior drug felony conviction years earlier) and another felon in Illinois (caught in possession of a knife after being convicted of drug and assault felonies in Florida). Still a third happened in Newport News, Virginia (folding knife with 3" blade). Looks like the weapon-prohibition for felons is not only lifelong, but extends far beyond firearms and ammunition.
Were these knives found during an arrest for some other crime?
These stories sound a little dubious. Unless Louisiana, Illinois, and Virginia have a law that a felon can't own and carry any knife I don't see how someone would be arrested for possession alone. Were these knives assisted-opening or lockbacks that can easily flip open?
All were lockblade folders. Some state laws prohibit felons from carrying any type of weapons, including knives. These convictions were appealed and the individual state Supreme Courts affirmed the convictions. In short, these individuals were screwed. The guy in Louisiana (Mr. Plase J. Ordon, a New Orleans resident) got 10 years imprisonment at hard labor. His excuse was that he worked as a landscaper and that the knife was a tool of his trade. The court didn't buy a word of it and sent him back to prison. Hell of a price to pay for carrying a lockback folder in your pocket after being previously convicted of a felony. Again, it depends entirely on state law. You can do a Google search on Mr. Ordon if you don't believe me.
Not to be a stick in the mud, but my only link returned for Ordon is from TheHighRoad. On attempting to locate the original from the Louisiana 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, the case doesn't seem to exist where it should. Just playing skeptic for the sake of argument.
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