Fishing Kit and Skills

JackBauer24 said:
. You're clearly a hotheaded little feller..
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The only factual statement you've made about anything.

Drop me and email, let's go hunting, as soon as turkey season is over I will take you to some of the best pig hunting swamps in South GA straight down 95 and I will drive.

I really don't believe your a hunter at all, take me up on my offer and prove me wrong. Chris
 
runningboar said:
The only factual statement you've made about anything.

Drop me and email, let's go hunting, as soon as turkey season is over I will take you to some of the best pig hunting swamps in South GA straight down 95 and I will drive.

I really don't believe your a hunter at all, take me up on my offer and prove me wrong. Chris
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I don't care what you think. I never made any claims about how much hunting do. Once agian I'll say, like I already said, "I don't think it's for me". this is going nowhere, I'm done with this conversation. by all means enjoy your sport, I have no issues with it, it affects me in no way shape or form.
 
You know Jack, just what did you think would happen when you posted those pics and why did you do it? Also you have never really said what side of the fence you are on so just to avoid ambiguity where do you stand? Chris
 
runningboar said:
You know Jack, just what did you think would happen when you posted those pics and why did you do it? Also you have never really said what side of the fence you are on so just to avoid ambiguity where do you stand? Chris
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I will post it in the other thread. this thread has been hijacked enough.
 
channel cats and suckers.

Wad some bread up on a treble hook throw it in the watter, and go to Fazolis. Come back a few hours after dark and reel in the fish that has hooked itself on your line.

This is the lazy mans method.

After 3 summers of fishing this way, it has yet to fail us. We have alwase had at least one good sized cat on the line for us to fry up with some lemon pepper for desert. ;)
 
Thanks for all the input (hijacking-dueling rants aside).:rolleyes:

Thanks for the links for the short rods (Rock posted a good link that looks interesting). Good tip on the safety pins also - I've just used wire to make the loops, but they were kind of soft and easily deformed.

I agree that using a trot line, bank lines, and fish traps should be the best way to go - it's basically trapping - the most efficient way to obtain food.

I tried a trot line a few years ago, thinking it was going to be easy. I was wrong, there is some skill to it. You basically have to read the water and understand where the fish will be in a given type of water (type of fish, plus depth, speed, and temperature of the water, etc. are all considerations). It seems easy, but you need to try it before you can count on it.

Just like trapping, you need to know where to place the hooks so that the fish will find them.

I think it takes skill (meaning practice) to be able to effectively catch fish with traps and bank lines. It may be easy in some areas, but all rivers are not the same and don't have the same type of fish. I would like to give it a try, but fishing regulations might make it difficult.

A few have posted success with trot lines, has anyone taken the time to make a primitive fish trap and used it effectively?
 
you must have some sucky rivers.

I dont know what i would do if i ever had to CATCH my own fish. All i know how to do is let them hook themselves.
 
I seem to remember seeing a TV show in the mid 90s where a "survival guru" of some sort was catching trout by hand in a stream out west (looked arid enough to possibly be central/southern CA). All I really remember about it beyond that is that it was the first time I'd seen anyone hiking around outside in Teva sandals. He approached an eddy from downstream with both arms down in the water and came up with a _live_ trout. Looked legit enough, but seemed like a lot of work.

If I had to pick some tackle for my survival pack, this is what I'd stick to:

  1. one pack of 1/32 oz White tube jigs (eg. "trout teasers")
  2. several wooly bugger flies in different sizes, olive & black (say 10 - 14)
  3. clear casting bubbles (the kind that you can partially fill with water)
  4. some 6lb main line, and some 4lb for leaders

I've had those flies and jigs work in warm water (bass, panfish) and on trout, and they don't require an extreme cast & retrieve to be effective so a pole could be easily improvised. If packing a rod & reel then the spinners & lures would come into play. A couple gold and a couple silver (super duper, phoebe, thomas buoyant, etc) would round things out pretty nicely and work in fresh or saltwater. Only thing you probably couldn't catch with this stuff would be a catfish, and well, i just don't like them all that much anyway.

Nothing beats trout on a stick over the campfire!
 
ROCK6 said:
Another good option is using a trot line, if you have the time to leave it in place (within legal guidelines of course). Practice is essential, and I've used mine several times.
ROCK6
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I did some reading on the internet about trot lines; you can buy
them already made. They are difficult to pack and unpack. They can be
dangerous if you become entangled; it's hard to get yourself untangled.
The hooks find your flesh, and other hooks find other objects,
and you can get pulled under water.

So if you decide to make or buy a trot line, read about precautions
and tools (carriers etc.) to keep them safe.

I never did try one, but I do believe they are effective at catching fish.
 
Bowie Mike said:
A few have posted success with trot lines, has anyone taken the time to make a primitive fish trap and used it effectively?
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I started this trap and I was hoping to finish it up the last few weeks, but I screwed up my back and have been off work.
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Back seems to be almost ok again, so hopefully, I'll get to finish it shortly.

Doc
 
1 1/2" long tube jigs have caught me fish in 13 country's fresh and salt water.
There are five fly patterns that will work anywhere in fresh water. I'm not a fly fishing expert so you who are give me some slack on the names. Black ant, nat, woolybouger, gray streamer, and one that looks like a bee.
I've had the good fortune to be able to travel to many places and I have a fishing kit in a box only 3"x5" that has worked around the world.
 
Has anyone used one of those Emmrod things? I'm looking for a small rod and reel I can throw in throw backpack.
 
I have had several telescoping fishing rods over the years. Every one of them was inherently weak, was prone to comming apart while casting, and were generally such a pain that I refused to use them.

Next, I bought an expensive, 5-piece rod from gander Mtn or Cabelas (I don't remember which) and found it a bit stronger, but found that the rod was a bit stiff for a lightweight rod.

After that, I bought a 2-piece, 5' untralight rod. Great action, strond, and it fit along the side of my pack. Finally! I had found fishing rod Nirvana! S friend and I headed into the high Sierras for several days of backpacking and fishing and I couldn't wait to try it out. We were chasing Goldens in high alpine lakes with ultralight gear. If I recall correctly, I was using 4 lb. test line with a 2 lb. leader. Wouldn't you know it? On my very first cast, I launched the top half of the rod into the middle of the lake!!! Here I am on miles from any roads, on a trip I had been looking forward to for several months, and now I had HALF of my brand new rod!!! Since I didn't have any other options, I fished for that entire trip with the bottom half of the rod, and managed to catch a bunch of trout. :)

Upon my return, the shop where I bought the rod replaced it for me. :thumbup:

-- FLIX
 
Well if spending money is no object, than I suggest looking into a G.Loomis pack rods. One of those will dig into your knife fund for sure tho.
 
DOC-CANADA said:
I started this trap and I was hoping to finish it up the last few weeks, but I screwed up my back and have been off work.
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Back seems to be almost ok again, so hopefully, I'll get to finish it shortly.

Doc
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Doc - the fish trap looks great - please let us know how it works. How long did it take to build it?

You read about these things in every book and website, but I haven't tried it myself - can't wait to hear your report.
 
I've marveled for a while at what some people carry in survival fishing kits. Line makes sense; hooks make sense. But a load of fake rubber worms, other lures, etc.?

If ever I were in a survival situation and needing food, I think the last thing I'd need to be doing is holding the end of a fishing line, tugging at it to make a lure work. I'm very much in favor of the "leave several unattended lines while going to find other food" theory. Mind you, this will be illegal under ordinary circumstances, but we're assuming a life-and-death necessity situation. For such a situation, all you probably need are a few hooks (which take up almost zero space and weight) and line (which is a multi-use implement; I recommend carrying some as emergency cordage all the time.) Rod and reel are probably a mistake, unless you're really just assembing a compact fishing kit, rather than a survival kit. As for the kind of line, I like the braided kinds, rather than monofilament, which tends to take a permanent kink if rolled up and stored. Spiderwire and that Gorilla braided line are both tieable, usable for things other than fishing, quite tough, and compact. You can wind a lot of yardage of any of this stuff around almost anything else in your kit. It's easy to get in up to 85-lb test strength, and that, my friends, is a great deal in terms of usefulness per ounce and cubic inch.

As for bait, in a survival scenario, almost any kind of bug, meat, even fish parts (once you've caught the first one) can work quite well.
 
Bowie Mike said:
Doc - the fish trap looks great - please let us know how it works. How long did it take to build it?

You read about these things in every book and website, but I haven't tried it myself - can't wait to hear your report.
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Thanks Mike. As far as how long, I have absolutely no concept of time or distance - seriously, besides, who measures time when we're learning. I made another one, the kind that you place in a stream with a current. You damn up the stream with only one opening they can swim through, and there, you place the trap. It is narrow enough that fish of any size can swim in but not turn around, and the current is strong enough to prevent them from backing up. It was just a series of decreasing size hoops, that rods were tied on. The design in the picture is much better because no cordage is required. I still have to fill in the gaps with some more rods and then build the funnel entrance. As to when I'm going to get to use it ???????????? Illegal up here.

The design for the one in the picture is from the Bulletin of Primitive Technology Issue 25, page 42-Making & using a Willow fish trap by Barry Keegan. When I first saw it, I wasn't impressed, but after making it (so far) I am. Very simple, really. If you have an interest in this kind of trap, I strongly recommend you pick up that issue as a back copy.

In the meantime, I should have a digicam by the time it is finished, and if so, I'll post a picture of the finished trap.

Doc
 
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