Fishing trip gone bad ...

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Pretty sad story as I know there are alot of avid fishermen on this board ... looks like only 1 of the 4 men were rescued. Supposedly at least one of them was an experienced boater. The boat apparently flipped, I wonder if they even wore lifejackets. The boat, a center-console vessel manufactured by Everglades Boats, is billed as "unsinkable".

My prayers go out.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/02/florida.missing.boaters/index.html
 
the one expericed boater has been found. he did the right thing by clinging to the boat. the others are still missing.
 
I pray they will find the others but it does not look good. I don't know how cold the water is there but as we know, it does not have to be to cold if you are in it for any length of time.
 
Sad story. One of my biggest fears in being in a capsized boat in the ocean.
 
I read that they were 50 miles off shore. A weather web site reported that a buoy 100 miles out reported 14 foot waves Saturday night. That would be a bit much in a 21 ft boat.
 
What lessons do you guys think can be learned from this? I have limited boating experience.
 
I'm not an experienced boater but it surprised me that the boat was anchored in waves that high. The few times I've been out in big seas with experienced boaters, they wanted to be moving under power.

DancesWithKnives
 
What lessons do you guys think can be learned from this? I have limited boating experience.

-Be Cognizant of Conditions before going out
-Keep your PFD on...there's no excuse not too. While those designed for open water use are bulky and could restrict movement, its one of those things that could make the difference between life and death.
-The PFD thing....yeah, that applies double when conditions are rough/ weather is bad.
-Make sure you have an accurate float plan on file with your origin point.
-Be aware of the conditions around you. Don't let the fun take you off guard.
-Be aware of where you are.
-Have signal and other preps at hand (ie. Rescue whistle attached to PFD).
 
I'll add:
When anchored the length of your anchor line ("scope" IIRC) should be at least*** 3X the depth that you are anchored in.

Stay with the hull/boat.
Big things are easier for the rescuers to spot.
Much easier to find a boat than a person.

14' seas in a 21' boat does seem to be really pushing the envelope.

Then again there are different types of waves.
Steep, pointy, closely spaced waves would be a terror in the situation above.
Whereas 14' rollers that have large spaces between them could seem deceptively manageable... Until conditions change.

Edited to add: AT LEAST 3:1 scope. 7:1 was what I was taught way back in the early nineties. I've heard 5:1 is accepted now. If the seas are higher, let out extra line. The constant pull on the anchor line in rough weather can cause the anchor to pull free.
 
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Geez, like it's not bad enough bein a Raiders fan already :(

Seriously, though...

Keep your PFD on...there's no excuse not to.

Yessir! My dear ol' Dad taught me to swim, fish, and handle a boat... and he never let anyone in his boat without a life-vest. I can swim pretty good, but that doesn't mean much if you're knocked out.
 
Whenever I go out on a boat I always bring my own rafting/canoeing PFD and ARC Aquafix Personal Locator Beacon. Amazingly, I've been on a couple boats (worth well over $100K), that had no locator beacon on them. If it is cold and seas are heavy, I wear a breathable (somewhat) NRS rafting/canoeing drysuit. You stay much warmer and if you end up in the water you'll likely last a lot longer. I also have one of those really bright military strobe flashers attached to my PFD. And I've spent the last 20 years developing an impressive personal insulating layer for just such situations.:D

DancesWithKnives
 
Four "NFL-sized" dudes in a 21 footer. First mistake. Everybody in FL was watching that front come down. Why go out in the first place, and, why 50 miles offshore? The captain's dad said that he wouldn't go out with him anymore because he never sees land when they arrive at their spot. Say what you want, but a 21' vessel is not for deep water that area. The Gulf is deep, but you have to go a distance to get to it.

Damn shame.
 
What lessons do you guys think can be learned from this? I have limited boating experience.

I have worked on boats since I was 14 years old. I have been in all kinds of weather conditions. I have been trained in survival at sea through McMillan Offshore Survival Training.

The first thing ANYONE should do before boating in a large body of water (Oceans, Great Lakes, Gulf of Mexico etc.) is check the MARINE weather forecast. NOAA's website has one. I always use wonderground.com. Check the extended forecast AND the current buoy reports for your area.

Learn how to spot changes in weather. Big puffy clouds that appear to be forming "anvil tops" are thunder clouds. Be aware of current sea conditions and the changes in them. Small ripples turning to chop or white caps, an increase in wind speed, a shift in wind direction, a drop in temperature etc. are all signs of inclement weather.

Be aware of directions at sea and what directions the worst weather comes from. In new england it is the north east. Especially on the north shore/cape ann area. Nor'easters can blow for days and are characterized by high winds and seas that come on in as little time as 15 to 30 minutes.

If you are in a small craft and know the limitations of your vessel. Get into the lee of land. DO NOT BEACH the vessel, seas are higher and more unpredictable when the water gets shallower and you can swamp your boat.

Exercise caution and foresight when making a course for safety. Murphy's law tends to come into play on a boat. If you are running close to shore and the wind is coming from the seaward side of your boat and the boat stalls you can easily be blown onto rocky shorelines.

If the boat capsizes, stay with it for as long as it is safe to do so. Aerial searchers usually look for debris fields and large floating objects. It is easier to spot an overturned boat than a person's head bobbing in the waves. Most fiberglass pleasure boats have compressed foam in the hulls and will only sink a few feet below the surface.

Get PFD's on, if you have survival suits get them on. Practice with them. You should be able to get them on on a weather deck in a minute or less. DO NOT don PFD's inside a cuddy cabin or pilot house. You can become trapped inside. At the very least use cushions or coolers or anything that floats to aid in buoyancy. If there is an EPIRB or emergency locator beacon, KEEP IT WITH YOU.

If you have and are able to board a life raft, dinghy, or other type of lifeboat keep the painter fastened to the disabled boat for as long as possible. Don't cut it until it is not safe to remain any longer.

Take a boating safety course and a basic boat handling course. Coast Guard and local Power Squadrons usually offer these where boating is a popular pastime.

These are SOME, not all, of the things you can do to make sure you get back to the dock safely.

Pete
 
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with water as cold as it is, it a long shot they are found alive, but i hope for the best and my prayers go out to their families. it's a good idea to get a EPIRB(eletronic postion indicator radio beacon) and also an PLB(personal locator beacon) and keep it registered through sarsat. also proper ppe(personal protectant equipment) will help keep you warm in colder water such as anti-exposure coveralls and drysuits will keep alive longer. good luck to their famlies
 
Very good advice Pete ... being in a capsized boat situation has got to be one of the worst possible survival scenarios out there. It's cold so loss of body heat, you're surrounded by miles of undrinkable water, maybe you don't know how to swim very well and then the real possibility of shark attacks. Pretty bad when you think about t.
 
I'll add:
When anchored the length of your anchor line ("scope" IIRC) should be at least 3X the depth that you are anchored in.

AT LEAST 3:1 scope. 7:1 was what I was taught way back in the early nineties. I've heard 5:1 is accepted now. If the seas are higher, let out extra line. The constant pull on the anchor line in rough weather can cause the anchor to pull free.


Some more tips for a safe boating experience, not necessarily safety in a storm.

Take heed of marine weather warnings. Small Craft Advisories especially. Don't overestimate the capabilities of your boat. I was told by a Coast Guardsman that a small craft is considered a vessel either under 100 feet long or under 100 gross tons. That is a big boat. Picture an excursion boat or a whale watch boat.

Have a working foghorn. I can't count the number of times I've been out in the fog, or out and the fog socks in. Several times on returning to port you pick up smaller vessels on radar that are anchored or trolling or otherwise operating in extremely reduced visibility without a foghorn. Radar helps but don't rely on it picking up EVERYTHING. The higher the radar is mounted on the vessel (esp. on larger ships) the less likely it is going to pick up a target that is near it. Small boats and skiffs sometimes appear and disappear on radar. Maintain a watch when there is fog. Not only a visual watch. Listen for foghorns or engines that are nearby. Have the person running the boat advise the people who are keeping a watch where targets are, how far, what direction they are moving etc.

Have a working compass. I've been on boats where deviation has been over 100 degrees from the true heading. Keep magnetic objects away from the compass. I knew a lobster fisherman who fished out of a small novy skiff close to shore. The fog rolled in and he started steaming for his mooring. He was fishing around Thatchers Island off Rockport. His mooring was in Rockport Harbor. He was found the next day out of fuel and adrift off Plum Island in Newburyport. He had enough fuel to fish for the morning, didn't have a compass and thought he could get home using landmarks on shore. The problem was that he could not see the shoreline. He had no radio, foghorn, etc. and was lucky a tug with a tow or a larger fishing boat didn't run him down.

Know the waters you are operating on. Know where shallow areas are, sand bars, reefs, or rockpiles. Operate at a safe speed.

Be aware of your boat's capabilities, i.e. fuel capacity, any engine problems, etc.

Keep your safety equipment up to date, including flares, EPIRB, PFDs, survival/immersion suits, life raft, etc. Check the batteries and expiration dates.

Learn some basic navigation. Don't rely on electronic aids to navigation (i.e. GPS, LORAN, etc.) They have a tendency to quit at the most inopportune times. Learn to read a chart and be able to plot a basic course home.

Have some first aid/CPR training and a usable first aid kit. I've been on a deep sea fishing boat when one of the passengers went into diabetic shock and his sugar dropped to a near fatal level.
When I was about 12 or so my father was bitten in the face by a bluefish. My mother cut her fingers to the bone trying to remove the fish. Luckily we had a good first aid kit. I was able to patch them up on the ride back to the Charles River. My father didnt have anything worse than a cut on his face and injured pride and a good fish story to tell later. At the time we thought he lost an eye though. My mother's fingers had some nerve damage that went away after a few years.

Have a plan of egress from a disabled vessel and let everyone know what their duties are in an emergency.

LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING AND WHEN YOU PLAN TO BE IN.

Take every step possible to prevent boating accidents but if one does happen don't panic in an emergency and think like a SURVIVOR not a VICTIM. I've been in several near sinkings and marine emergencies. You will be amazed at what you CAN do under stress or in a life threatening situation. Have fun out there but boat responsibly.

Pete
 
Good stuff Pete.
I guess I should have stressed the least/minimum part of the sentence.
I shall edit my post just in case someone is lazy and doesn't read this far down the page.
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