Fixed blade krambit

[Quiet]

My parents know I'm into knives and wouldn't mind much. But really carrying it at school? Who would do that.

Are your parents aware that you are considering carrying a knife that can't be passed off as anything other than a weapon, carried on your person for the specific reason of "self defense"? As in, have you told them "Yes, I want to carry this fighting knife so that I can injure or kill another human being." I would find it hard to believe that a police officer, seeing a minor walk down the street with a kerambit in a custom sheath wouldn't stop them, and make the legal call as outlined in the state statute above.

There's a reason why there's usually an age limit to conceal carry permits.

 

[Joshuas21]

Bad guys are everywhere no doubt about that but there may not be someone with me 24/7

 

[Quiet]

Bad guys are everywhere no doubt about that but there may not be someone with me 24/7

Bad guys are everywhere? Who in your school has ever been attacked by "bad guys"? Are there a lot of people in your town getting robbed/attacked by "bad guys"? I think you really need to take a step back from the internet and video games and reevaluate your ideas and priorities.

Understand that I'm not coming down on you for no reason. A child making the decision to carry a deadly weapon, without any training, or even having taken a conceal carry course which explains all of the legal ramifications and possible consequences of carrying a deadly weapon, or apparently having a full understanding of existing statutes, really should be reconsidering their course of action. All I can say. For the record, I myself carry a firearm concealed. I've taken multiple conceal carry courses, and have had multiple conversations with lawyers who have given me a clear understanding of my state's rules. Carrying a weapon is a tremendous responsibility, and a 12 year old wanting to carry a kerambit, just doesn't seem like someone who is ready for that responsibility to me. I live in a large city where people DO get attacked on a regular basis. Is what it is.

 

[Quiet]

Oh man, it just gets worse:

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000030.HTM

Missouri state statute:

571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

[snip]

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or

also

(10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board (so you could be in range of a school sponsored activity and not even know it).

So, I'm not sure how people are walking around carrying swords around, and I'm actually curious as to whether or not you've ever seen someone do that. Even if you have, there's absolutely zero guarantee that you won't run into a police officer who'll immediately recognize what your kerambit is "But officer, I use it to open envelopes, you know, for all that mail a 12 year old gets!" "Yeah, that's cute, let's go kid."

I'm just a stranger on the internet, and again, not a lawyer. But from these statutes, I'm not really getting an impression of "Eh, knife laws are pretty open, I could just carry a sword around if i wanted to."

 

[Joshuas21]

Again not going to take it to school. I came here to get a recommendation but am arguing with a random stranger about what I should and shouldn't do

 

[Quiet]

Again not going to take it to school. I came here to get a recommendation but am arguing with a random stranger about what I should and shouldn't do

Hey man, do what you're going to do. Good luck. The state law is in direct opposition of what you think it says. Go on with your bad self, bruh.

 

[A Justice]

OP, you don't need to carry a karambit for self defense if you're 12. Instead stay out of sketchy areas, if you ever encounter an adult you think is trying to abduct you run and scream. If you're in a fight with someone your own age, your ego and bruises will heal soon enough - it's not an acceptable practice for a 12 year old to introduce a knife into a school yard fight.

However, I had been trained in the use of multiple weapons when I was your age as a hobby. Leave it at home, it's really not as effective of a defensive weapon in the 21st century as YouTube would have you think anyway - if you're interested in knives and learning self defense using such things, it's acceptable to ask your parents to help you get involved in martial arts or something. After you have some better reasons, a constructive outlet for your interest, some guidance from an adult that can oversee your training and your parent's blessing, karambits are relatively cheap among most the knives we discuss here. You're looking at 80$-150$.

You have 2 options as I see it - Ontario's Ranger Karambit is a fixed blade version that is around 100$, or you can opt for Fox's folding Karambit, Emerson's Folding Karambit, or Spyderco's new Karahawk. They all have the wave feature, and can be deployed extremely quickly with training. If you plan on doing any worthwhile training though, you'll also need to invest in a trainer version of whatever weapon you purchase.

 

[mountainmist]

They have nothing against kids with knives, see this thread:http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1151061-Young-knife-collectors-users-deux I'm and couldn't imagine carrying a defensive blade, I mean, come on! I child molester being scared off by a 12 Y/O with a krambit?

 

[Aleous]

I'll echo what other's have said and say carrying a karambit is probably not the best idea, it is a highly specialized knife and needs training to use effectively. Plus you'll find few knives that are as fearsome looking and you don't want to have to explain carrying one to a cop/judge/jury. I think a good folder is a better idea for utility like the Ontario Rat or Kabar Dozier for your budget, people love them. But I can understand your enthusiasm, I was shy of 15 when the blade bug bit me, and I started with swords, namely katana's, still can't believe my parents let me collect them that young but I digress. If you still want a karambit here is something I picked up on the electronic bay, "scorpion claw karambit", claims aus-8a steel, sadly it's about 3.25" blade and made in china so take from that what you will. I've had it a couple months and have found it to be a solid knife and razor sharp though all it's used for these days is a fancy letter opener. Can be found at around $30, little less, little more depending on handle material/sheath options.

 

[rajincagin]

At 12-13 you shouldn't be in environments where there are 'thugs' that can be a potential threat to your life. And if you are in a somewhat sketchy area you should be with an adult,

Wow, seriously? I bet every crime victim wishes they could just stay out of those environments. Not sure where you live, but walking home from school shouldn't be dangerous, but sometimes it is.

Don't listen to these guys who say you're too dumb or irresponsible, at 12 you're plenty old enough to carry a knife and old enough to walk by yourself. I assume you're not rich either and cannot hire a bodyguard to follow you around. You do have the right to defend yourself, even at only 12 yrs old.

 

[Quiet]

Wow, seriously? I bet every crime victim wishes they could just stay out of those environments. Not sure where you live, but walking home from school shouldn't be dangerous, but sometimes it is.

Don't listen to these guys who say you're too dumb or irresponsible, at 12 you're plenty old enough to carry a knife and old enough to walk by yourself. I assume you're not rich either and cannot hire a bodyguard to follow you around. You do have the right to defend yourself, even at only 12 yrs old.

Here's a guy who lacks some parenting skills.

I mean, you're right. We should have children who don't understand the full gamut of consequences to carrying and using a deadly weapon just walking around carrying obvious weapons, right?

Ridiculous.

I'm all for young people carrying and using pocket knives, because those aren't weapons. Children are not mentally mature enough to be carrying around weapons. Hell, most adults aren't either. And a kid who wants a kerambit for "self-defense" carry, and who just showed in this very thread a strong lack of understanding of his state's laws on the carry of weapons is showing that he's not mentally mature enough to be carrying a weapon. That's how I see it.

 

[30ZappHappy30]

Just carry a $20 bill with you if your in sketchy areas. So instead of pulling out a tactical knife and getting killed, you lose twenty bucks. If you are somewhere that people might want to hurt you, don't be in there. People on here are not scolding you because your a kid who likes knives (I'm 14) but rather because you want to carry a weapon with no training. My advice is just stay away from the bad parts of town and invest your money in a nice EDC blade for after school. Also, no one under 13 is technically aloud on here.

 

[30ZappHappy30]

I would also like to add that when you're carrying a weapon, you have to be ready to take someones life and suffer the consequences. Are you prepared for that?

 

[rajincagin]

Oh you guys are right I guess, after all, there is no violent crime in 'Merica. Our streets are as safe for kids, adults and for criminals. Shoot, apparently you can just give them 20$ and they'll leave you alone.

I'm not sure why the desire to turn this kid into a helpless victim... Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves

 

[Quiet]

Oh you guys are right I guess, after all, there is no violent crime in 'Merica. Our streets are as safe for kids, adults and for criminals. Shoot, apparently you can just give them 20$ and they'll leave you alone.

I'm not sure why the desire to turn this kid into a helpless victim... Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves

If a 12 year old is in places where he could be a helpless victim, that's something the kid went looking for. I mean, are you seriously dense? This kid is asking us for assistance in breaking the law. It is clearly against the law for him to carry around a kerambit. Do you honestly think a police officer will stop this child and be like "Oh, it's under four inches, you're free to go. Run along, sonny!" No, that officer is going to put this kid in the back of his car, and take him home and have a talk with his parents (unless he just arrests the kid and calls the parents to come get him from the station). And again, the law is clearly not "Eh, the laws are lax in this state, people can carry around swords if they want to!" That sounds to me like he gets all his advice from his similar aged dumb friends. Which is another strike against him, and another check in the "This kid is clearly not mentally mature enough to carry a weapon." column. I can't imagine the looks on his parents faces when they're called down to the station to get him, and the officer hands them this dumbass kerambit like "Yeah, your son had this on 'im. Any idea where he got it?". I wonder if his parents would be "ok with him having/liking" knives then.

So, take your "OMG This is 'MURKA! Kids got a right to defend themselves! Ya'll want this kid to be a helpless victim!" nonsense and go read a book. A 12 year old has no place carrying a weapon. It could be argued that I'm trying to keep him out of juvenile hall.

 

[jobasha11]

Oh you guys are right I guess, after all, there is no violent crime in 'Merica. Our streets are as safe for kids, adults and for criminals. Shoot, apparently you can just give them 20$ and they'll leave you alone.

I'm not sure why the desire to turn this kid into a helpless victim... Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves

People are saying a 13 year old doesn't need to be carrying something that can only be considered a weapon. Its illegal for him to do so.
He also needs to seriously ask himself if he's ready to take another person's life and face the consequences of a ruined life if he were to do so.

 

[sh00ter01]

Wow, seriously? I bet every crime victim wishes they could just stay out of those environments. Not sure where you live, but walking home from school shouldn't be dangerous, but sometimes it is.

Yes seriously. At 12 years old, you're a child, a kid. You shouldn't be in areas deem sketchy or dangerous without an adult. You know Baltimore, MD? You know what their homicide rate is? I've gone to college and worked in and around it for years and never had an issue. Not being a victim goes beyond just carry a knife for SD; you have to be aware of your surrounding at all time and do your best to avoid unwanted scenarios that could potentially put you in harms way, but I digress.

Don't listen to these guys who say you're too dumb or irresponsible, at 12 you're plenty old enough to carry a knife and old enough to walk by yourself. I assume you're not rich either and cannot hire a bodyguard to follow you around. You do have the right to defend yourself, even at only 12 yrs old.

Never called him dumb. Never called him irresponsible. Just said that I'd advise against what he was planning to do. He does have a right to defend himself, but at 12 years old adding a knife to the equation is almost never a good idea (with respect to SD).


By the way, how old are you?

 

[CJZ]

Alright, so a "bad guy" approaches you on your super scary walk home from school, do you really think you have the stones to tear into the guy with your karambit?

Do you think you could handle the fact that you just killed someone?

No, you couldn't. Also, I'm sure not a lot of LEO's would take kindly to a 12 year old carrying a combat knife.

If you had a regular, small slipjoint folding knife, that'd be better.

Also, you need to be at least 13 to be a part of these forums.


Sorry kid, but think about these things.

 

[rajincagin]

It's better to be carried by six than judged by 12. Go be a victim kid. The old geysers have spoken, they've never been a victim of violent crime, therefore you won't either, got it?

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Also, you need to be at least 13 to be a part of these forums.

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