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Are there any custom makers who specialize in small FBs for pocket or neck carry?
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Fixed blade--pocket carry
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I'm curious as to what kind of tests you conducted.
Leather and Kydex are not exactly soft materials, and I'm having trouble coming up with a plausible scenario of how you could easily fall or otherwise cause a knife to actually move with enough force at an angle that would cause it to puncture through the sheath.
I mean, yes, if you take a sharp knife and intentionally drive it into a piece of kydex or leather from the side, with a lot of force, you'll puncture through (at least a little bit). . . but a knife in a sheath isn't likely to do that. Depending on the design of the sheath, it's eather going to have to go through a lot of material, or it's going ot have to puncture through sidways, through the wall of the sheath, in which case you've taken the edge out of the picture.
I'm not saying there isn't any concern at all, or that it couldn't happen, but I honestly think it's implausible enough that it's not a big concern.
Of course, I'm someone who frequently carries a small fixed blade in his pocket, so. . . ;-)
Leather and Kydex are not exactly soft materials, and I'm having trouble coming up with a plausible scenario of how you could easily fall or otherwise cause a knife to actually move with enough force at an angle that would cause it to puncture through the sheath.
I mean, yes, if you take a sharp knife and intentionally drive it into a piece of kydex or leather from the side, with a lot of force, you'll puncture through (at least a little bit). . . but a knife in a sheath isn't likely to do that. Depending on the design of the sheath, it's eather going to have to go through a lot of material, or it's going ot have to puncture through sidways, through the wall of the sheath, in which case you've taken the edge out of the picture.
I'm not saying there isn't any concern at all, or that it couldn't happen, but I honestly think it's implausible enough that it's not a big concern.
Of course, I'm someone who frequently carries a small fixed blade in his pocket, so. . . ;-)
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On a loose fit leather pouch sheath it is relaively easy to push a blade out the end, especially if it's just two pieces of leather stitched together. A sharp blade wil just slice the threads.
On leather it's important to have a snug fit and a 3 piece seam, this way the blade sits on the middle piece of leather if fit properly, and the snug fit helps keep the knife from moving too far forward by grabbing the scales.
Most of what I've read over the years has been speculation by safety freaks who nit-pick anything to try and find a "potential" safety flaw. AFAIK I've never seen someone truly injured by their knife coming through their sheath.
I have heard genuine reports of people breaking ribs while wearing large belt knives and falling though. Of course that won't stop me from doing it, you just have to be careful. Kind of like a car, they can be dangerous but that's why we're careful while driving.
On leather it's important to have a snug fit and a 3 piece seam, this way the blade sits on the middle piece of leather if fit properly, and the snug fit helps keep the knife from moving too far forward by grabbing the scales.
Most of what I've read over the years has been speculation by safety freaks who nit-pick anything to try and find a "potential" safety flaw. AFAIK I've never seen someone truly injured by their knife coming through their sheath.
I have heard genuine reports of people breaking ribs while wearing large belt knives and falling though. Of course that won't stop me from doing it, you just have to be careful. Kind of like a car, they can be dangerous but that's why we're careful while driving.
Pretty simple really. Took some material from an old leather sheath and an old Kydex sheath and a sharp knife (BM140) and used a gradually increasing amount of force until penetrating the tip through the sheath material. Did this twice on each sheath. Once with single thickness and once with double thickness (to simulate a thicker sheath than my test unit). Nothing extremely scientific but enough to convince me that a car accident, a tumble down a hill, a fall from a seadoo or any number of similar situations which I may likely find myself in would be more than enough to exert the necessary amount of force to push a nice sharp pointy blade through even a thick Kydex sheath. By the way, I'm sure this is obvious but I will mention it anyway. The Kydex performed much better than the leather.topher said:
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I wouldn't say Jens Anso specializes in the above, but he makes some that qualify very well:madcap_magician said:
Small Sheepsfoot (around 4,5" overall), RWL-34)
One-off "claw", (around 5,5", RWL-34 and Titanium Wallet Sticker)
"Nasty Necker", (around 6,5", RWL-34)
Although I don't have one, I am pretty sure that the HideAwayKnife by FrontSight would be an excellent choice too!
Bo
Don't get me wrong... it's not like I'm convinced that fixed blades are evil and I'm now selling them all... not at all. Although when buying fixed blades in the future I will probably pay much closer attention to sheath fitting and materials than in the past. Obviously there are lots of factors involved other than what I covered in my tests. Factors like the guard on the knife helping to prevent it from pushing through, the sheath fit, etc.
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Ronin Ichi said:
Totally! I've been EDCing a Nealy all this week, and front pocket works great. You just reach in, place your thumb against the kydex edge & pull the knife w/ your index & middle finger. I've found it more comfortable than my usual IWB positions, and less threatening to the general populace.
I don't see the kydex sheath failing, I'm not doing any jumps this week
... maybe if I was carrying at 1:00 IWB, but in front pocket worst case it'll stick my upper thigh rather than me dingus.
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The Porcupine said:
Wow, those are great! I like the HideAwayKnife, but it's a little out of my reach financially, especially for such a small knife. Even if you can have Mick work on yours.
Edit: Anso is way out of my reach, too, but it's still nice to drool.
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Brian6244 said:
With Bud Nealy's system this is extremely improbable. The very powerful magnet keep the knife from falling out, even upside down. Well to each his own, but I feel confident it's a safe carry system. Good luck Brian what ever you decide.
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If your interested in fixed blade pocket edc I would recomend checking with Josh or Jon Graham at www.grahamknives.com They do exceptional work and have lots to choose from. I can tell you from experience that their knives will stand up to the roughest user.
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on my keychain and in my pocket. I'm not worried about the tiny TOPS cutting through the kydex. I'm far more likely to twist my ankle on the stairs, slip in the shower or be mauled by my tabby cat. YMMV
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Booger said:
I LIKE THEM!
Barry Dawson at http://www.dawsonknives.com makes small FB's for pocket and neck carry, in custom Kydex sheaths that he makes. The pocket models have a clip built in to the sheath.
I have one and love it.
He makes the sheathss, so imagine that if you send a knife to him, he could make a custom pocket sheath for you.
Best Regards,
Jeremy O'Kelly
I have one and love it.
He makes the sheathss, so imagine that if you send a knife to him, he could make a custom pocket sheath for you.
Best Regards,
Jeremy O'Kelly
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I've carried a CRKT Casper in my front pocket in it's standard kydex sheath. Just tied a piece of cord to the sheath that is then looped to my belt. Sheath will come out of pocket with the knife then the cord pulls tight and the knife slide right out. I find that's easier to put away then having it in my pocket and trying to re-sheath it.
Will work with most kydex sheaths I think (so long as they have a hole for the cord to attach to). Also, nice since if you find you don't like that method of carry you don't have any $ invested in a second sheath.
Will work with most kydex sheaths I think (so long as they have a hole for the cord to attach to). Also, nice since if you find you don't like that method of carry you don't have any $ invested in a second sheath.
Holy crap that's some sweet steel.Booger said:
It's too bad they don't appear to have anything currently for sale. Hopefully they can get some more available soon. The Razel in particular is amazing looking. Such a simple concept, and yet it makes so much sense. I would love to pick up one of those.
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I have a small Graham Bros. Razel with a pocket clip sheath, and I'm carrying a Blackwood Miami Ninja in my front pocket right now, in the flat riveted kydex sheath it came in. I keep meaning to grind a little catcher slot in the sheath so it snags when I pull the knife out by it's merc-leash, but I haven't gotten around to it.