fixed blade purchase, long time coming! thoughts/recommendations? ESEE/RC-6??

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Hey all! Just a disclaimer that this is a long post :eek:! Sorry for that but I figured I'd get my thoughts out in one post, and it seems most of you prefer more details vs. less details! If time is limited, skip to the bottom for the summary, or just skip entirely :p!

So I've been agonizing (but enjoying doing it!) over fixed blades for quite some time now and which one to purchase. I currently own a Benchmade Rant Bowie in 440C. I've been looking to upgrade this blade or compliment it (given the overall quality of the blade and that it fits the application it was designed for and that I need, I'm leaning more toward complimenting it rather than upgrading at this time). I've done LOTS of reading but little handling other than the more common consumer brands (some SOG, some Beckers, etc...no ESEEs, no fallknivens, etc.).

My criteria is a tough/durable, well-rounded (in terms of function/application) outdoors knife for general camping and bushcraft-type use, one that can be used harder and/or for more applications than the BM Rant and that I'd take out with me if I had to grab one or the other. Initially I was much more interested in stainless steel but now I could go either way, however, I do prefer a steel that is relatively easy to sharpen and holds a nice tough edge (hopefully not mutually exclusive ha). Being that my Rant is a bowie style, I'd prefer a drop point in the next knife, but it's not crucial. As far as grind goes I'm open to anything but hollow or chisel grind. Price range is max $150.

The knives that have consistently been on the list have been:

Fallkniven F1 (definitely upgrade in components/grind, but not much dimension-wise...I've read about the whole the VG-10 chipping thing but this doesn't seem to actually be much of a concern to me, but it is something to consider when being open to other steels)
Fallkniven S1 (definitely appealing in all regards, only downfall is that this too is a bowie style)
ESEE/RAT RC-4 (same thoughts as F1, minus the convex grind, but have read that handles are quite boxy and can be uncomfortable and handle is too short for some)
Becker BK2 (great deal, but may be more than I need/would require)

I've also considered Cold Steel Master Hunter and SRK, but those have kind of fallen in and out of the short list.

HOWEVER, as of recently I've been looking into the ESEE/RAT RC-6 and it's one that has gotten me quite excited, despite it having received the least amount of research on my behalf. It seems like it can do a LOT for it's size, especially with the choil for finer work. Seems very durable and the warranty of course is excellent. My biggest questions about it are the linen micarta grips and the sheath. I always planned on going with canvas if I got micarta but that's not an option for the RC-6 and I don't have an RC-5 (nor is it in the plan for the near future) to swap the handles with. I know the sheath is molded plastic and not kydex, and that the molle locks can't be placed for horizontal carry, but I'd likely upgrade to the molle back anyways.

Summary of this post:

1.) The linen micarta handles on the RC-6...how are they?? This may be my only/biggest hesitation with this knife...are they too smooth or are they grippy enough in most applications? Can they easily be roughened up if they're too smooth? Grip is important to me. Also are the handles too boxy (personal preference, I know) as I've heard some of the ESEE models (mostly RC-4) are to some people?
2.) RC-6 sheath...seems quality to me...any input on the molded plastic vs kydex? They don't seem much different to me.
3.) S1 vs RC-6...any thoughts on this as these are probably the most comparable to each other and complimentary to my Rant?
4.) As you can tell I'm leaning toward the RC-6, all things considered...handles being the biggest hesitation, would you tell me to go for it or look for something else? If the latter, what would you recommend that fits my criteria?

THANKS SO MUCH TO ALL THOSE WHO REPLY!! I really do appreciate it! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
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I'd prefer either convex, flat, or scandi grind.

That doesn't narrow things down much! :D

Get a Fallkniven. They don't chip. Unless you chop rocks with them, like the guy in the video did.

If you plan to chop rocks...just get the cheapest knife you can find. :D
 
haha, yea i guess it doesn't...i think i'll reword that to "open to anything but hollow or chisel grind" haha.

thanks for the input, marcinek! any experience with an s1? how are those fallkniven zytel sheaths?
 
If you are considering the ESEE6 you should also check out the fallkniven A1. Once you have the beast in your hands you'll know you've made the right choice.

FYI the zytel sheaths are excellent for the purpose. Simple design, excellent lock up and low form factor. I actually ended up getting a leather sharpshooter sheath from KSF beacause I love the F1 so much.

I don't have the S1. I got the F1 first and this is perhaps the best knife I own, even better in many respects to the Bark River knives I've got. Given the S1 was a different blade shape and not that much bigger I opted for the A1, man is that thing a BEAST.
 
I've got an F1 and an RC-4. My F1 gets used all the time, and the RC-4 gathers dust on a shelf. (This is not a knock on the quality of the RC-4, but rather a testament to how awesome the F1 is.)
 
how are those fallkniven zytel sheaths?

They feel cheap, but functional. They're extremely slim, making it a breeze to stuff them down in an overloaded backpack. Nothing special, but it gets the job done.

Id also recommend Fallkniven. The whole package - handle that fully covers the fulltang, slim weatherproof zytel sheath, convex grind, stainless steel, tough laminated construction, protuding square tang, sharp spine - is just excellent.
 
gotta say i'm kinda surprised by the the 100% fallkniven support, and no votes for the esee/rat blades, or any comments from the many diehard esee/rat fans out there! hmmm...more things for me to think about maybe...damn, ha!
 
gotta say i'm kinda surprised by the the 100% fallkniven support, and no votes for the esee/rat blades, or any comments from the many diehard esee/rat fans out there! hmmm...more things for me to think about maybe...damn, ha!

Thinking is bad for your health, remember you can always buy more :D. You never just buy your "last" knife.
 
good point bill86...now if only i could find that damn money tree i've heard stories of... :p
 
Fallkniven F1 (definitely upgrade in components/grind, but not much dimension-wise...I've read about the whole the VG-10 chipping thing but this doesn't seem to actually be much of a concern to me, but it is something to consider when being open to other steels)
dear lord not this again.

one person posts a video of him battoning with an A1, going straight through the wood and slamming into the rocks on the bottom of the creek bed and suddenly everyone seems to think VG-10 has a chipping problem.

there is no chipping problem unless you try and use your fallkniven as a jackhammer.


3.) S1 vs RC-6...any thoughts on this as these are probably the most comparable to each other and complimentary to my Rant?

i went the S1 route when faced with this choice, except i was looking at the ESEE5/Izula combo (went S1/WM1-3G).

if a bowie style isn't for you, perhaps have a look at the Fallkniven H1, or PHK? the Juni and Jarl models that were just released are prettyy sexy for bushcraft baldes.

the ESEE vs Fallkniven choice is a pretty simple one really: am i happy with 1095 or do i want to try something a little more exotic in my blade steel?
 
Yea I hear ya sambo about the chipping which is what I meant when I said it didn't seem like much of a real concern - so how do you feel about the s1 since purchasing? I haven't seen those new Fallkniven blades yet - will take a look - as for 1095 I was initially put off by the increased potential for rust but I think I'm over it at this point after doing more research. As always, thanks for the input!
 
They feel cheap, but functional. They're extremely slim, making it a breeze to stuff them down in an overloaded backpack. Nothing special, but it gets the job done.

Id also recommend Fallkniven. The whole package - handle that fully covers the fulltang, slim weatherproof zytel sheath, convex grind, stainless steel, tough laminated construction, protuding square tang, sharp spine - is just excellent.

For many uses, the Zytel may actually be better. It is a great deal more compact than Kydex.
 
Yea I hear ya sambo about the chipping which is what I meant when I said it didn't seem like much of a real concern - so how do you feel about the s1 since purchasing? I haven't seen those new Fallkniven blades yet - will take a look - as for 1095 I was initially put off by the increased potential for rust but I think I'm over it at this point after doing more research. As always, thanks for the input!


I like VG-10 on my folders, but not on my fixed blades. I like a good carbon and the 1095 from ESEE has amazing edge retention for 1095, their heat treat must be superb. Out of all the abuse I have put my RC-4 through, never once have I had a problem and that includes hitting rocks ha. If you are worried about rust, strip the coating and force a patina on the blade. I did that and after months of using my RC-4 and never oiling it, I don't have a spec of rust... I also live in a very humid state.

For VG-10, it is a great steel, but not a fan of it on fixed. It doesn't have a chipping problem, it will usually roll before it chips. Been using it for a while with my folders and it is great. Loses that razor edge pretty quickly, but it keeps a usable edge that cuts awesome for a pretty good while.

You can do pretty much anything to the 1095 by ESEE, go watch the destruction test on youtube of the RC-4. The guy was chopping concrete and the edge didn't even chip. Whether you agree with the tests or not is a moot point, it simply shows what it will withstand and given that you WON'T be chopping concrete... everything you throw at it should be no problem.
 
Well, I must have missed this thread because I never miss a chance to chime in on the virtues of ESEE knives. Unless you really, really need a stainless blade, get the ESEE 6. It is the very best field knife you can get for the price, period. The micarta handle slabs are fitted to the full tang better than any production knife I've ever used. They have the perfect texture IMO for wet or dry grip, and the ergonomics are spot on. For my hands the handles on the 6 and the 5 fit better than the smaller 3 and 4.

With the best warranty in the business, the best heat treat of any 1095 I've ever seen, top shelf customer service, very reasonable prices, and made in the good ole US, what's not to like? I'd post some pictures of mine, but you can get an eyeful on the ESEE subforum here...

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=816

Beware, hardly anyone is satisfied with a single ESEE knife....
 
For many uses, the Zytel may actually be better. It is a great deal more compact than Kydex.


I like the Zytel shealth of my F1. Its a nice, slim little package that carries well. It almost dissapears.

The sheaths that ESEE provides are also really nice. Yes they are much bigger, but they are very functional and well made.
 
I had an SRK (carbon V) awesome knife. its weight and balance were great but just too long (6 inch blade) for me to carry and thus only used it once.
Got an F-1 . Was very impressed but the handle was too narrow for my liking.
I bought the RC-3. Feels great in my hand. Also doubles as urban EDC if necessary. I like the wider blade.
 
My vote would be for fiddleback forge production recluse. A2 steel nice handle great knife. Its made by bark river i would much rather have one hand made by andy but 8 months is a long time.
 
My vote would be for fiddleback forge production recluse. A2 steel nice handle great knife. Its made by bark river i would much rather have one hand made by andy but 8 months is a long time.


Oh.....Yeah...........:D
 
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