Fixed-knife handle question

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Should the screws (that hold the handle in place) be raised up from the handle? Shouldn't they be flush with it?

Recently, I purchased a fairly expensive (for me) production knife from a reputable dealer and manufacturer. The handle is made of a hard wood. The ground-down screws are not flush with the handle surface. Is this normal to have?

I'm not happy with this knife. I wrote to the manufacturer but haven't heard back. I don't want to name names or post a picture because I don't want to cast a bad image on anyone if it's an acceptable procedure. Thanks.
 
The knives I make unless purposely (read - dramatically raised above the handle material) the rivet, screw, pin, rod, tube, whatnot will be so flush that even taking a finger nail aross them, you will not notice the difference in height.

zach@zachtateknives.com
 
If it was designed like that and is uncomfortable - then it is probably a bad design.
If it was supposed to be flush (sale pictures), but is not - then it is a flaw.

Post the picture.
 
Yeah, just tell us what the make & model is, and a picture would help. Unless of course, it's a secret...:rolleyes:
 
OK, here goes...

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I'm going to call the dealer. I'll let y'all know how it went.
 
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Sheesh. This is like pulling teeth (not that I ever have to pull any). I should've said "Post a couple of pictures". Wait a minute, make that a few! ((:D))

Sounds like they used Corby Bolts.

A couple of things:
- It's winter time. Even in the Big D the weather is dry. You will notice, expecially with wood-scaled knives, that the scale will contract leaving the pins slightly proud.
- In the summer, the wood will expand again bringing the pins back down where they belong.

It depends sometimes on when a knife is made. I've scaled some knives in the summer and, not only are the pins proud in winter, but you can also feel a little "lip" between scale and spine. So.....be careful when you ask the manufacturer to fix it. Of course, if it's a quality control issue on that knife, then.....

This is why I asked for pictures. Don;t be scared! Post the pictures!

(((:D)))
 
That will cause hot spots, soreness, blisters and maybe even rip skin.

Not good if you plan on using that knife.

Please let us know what knife that is. If the manufacturer doesn't stand behind the knife and correct that for you, we all need to know.
 
It's a Fiddleback Recluse (production) with African Blackwood. Made by Bark River, I think.

Here's another pic. I'm sick of taking pictures of this knife. The first picture I posted is evidence enough, but you can almost see the raised bolts in this picture.

Calling KSF first thing on Monday.

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...You will notice, expecially with wood-scaled knives, that the scale will contract leaving the pins slightly proud.

- In the summer, the wood will expand again bringing the pins back down where they belong.



Changes in temp/humidity can effect the fit of wood sales.

Even shipping this time of the year can cause some change.






If you find it a problem I'm sure Derrick will take care of you. :thumbup:






Big Mike
 
Do not see anything critical. That kind of things happen quite regularly. If you do not like it bett to consider G10 or micarta scales in the future - not wood.
 
A couple of things:
- It's winter time. Even in the Big D the weather is dry. You will notice, expecially with wood-scaled knives, that the scale will contract leaving the pins slightly proud.
- In the summer, the wood will expand again bringing the pins back down where they belong.

It depends sometimes on when a knife is made. I've scaled some knives in the summer and, not only are the pins proud in winter, but you can also feel a little "lip" between scale and spine. So.....be careful when you ask the manufacturer to fix it. Of course, if it's a quality control issue on that knife, then.....

Changes in temp/humidity can effect the fit of wood sales.

Even shipping this time of the year can cause some change.

Do not see anything critical. That kind of things happen quite regularly. If you do not like it bett to consider G10 or micarta scales in the future - not wood.
So y'all are saying that because I live in Texas, any of my knives with wood handles will have this problem? I can't say for sure because this is the only wood-handled knife I own right now. Although, I have one on order from JK Knives and one being reworked in wood by Phil Dobson.

If this is so, wouldn't there be a lot more problems/questions regarding this?
 
So y'all are saying that because I live in Texas, any of my knives with wood handles will have this problem?



No, it happens everywhere.

Woods differ, as do wet/dry exposures; lot's of variables.


I have plenty of wood handled knives, some change shape more then others.

Many stabilize in a given enviroment over time.


If it's a big concern for you, go for stabilized woods; much more stable.





Big Mike
 
You had nothing to "fear" about the maker's reputation by posting that picture. Fiddleback makes some nice knives, and the problem there isn;t necessarily quality control. It could be that the pin was never sanded flush, but that is highly doubtful, since that entire process is getting the scale ready for finish, and a proud pin just doesn't fit into that scenario.

African Blackwood is a relatively dense hardwood, but not as dense as say Ebony or Desert Ironwood. Humidity, and lack thereof, will change all knives. Dallas has very high humidity in the summer, so that knife scale is going to swell back up here come May or June or sometime. However, in my experience, it may not expand enough to come flush with the pin. Either send it back to KSF (I would not) or fix it yourself (this I would do).

Take a fine double-cut file and bring that stainless pin down to flush. Sand, starting at about 120 grit up through about 320, finish with shellac, wax, and be proud. But wait until summer, so you can see how much it recovers.

As I said earlier, I have some Bark River knives, made up there in their humid territory, where occasionally a pin is a tad proud, or there is a hint of a "lip" between scale and spine. Mostly, they don;t bother me a bit. Again, it depends on what part of the year the knife was made. Whatever moisture level is existent in the wood at the time it is sanded flush with the pins and knife blank is the moisture level needed for that knife to remain in its best form. Also, when a aknifemaker buys exotic (or any) wood, does he let it acclimate to his shop for a sufficient period of time? Maybe yes, maybe no. Is it properly dried before it is even purchased by the maker? Maybe yes, maybe no.

Fiddleback Knives has exploded in the last couple of years, pumping out knives like maybe never before. Bark River (and maybe others) saw promise in Andy, and now he's making them as fast as he can. When this happens, sometimes his stock of exotics comes in, maybe it's "dry", maybe it isn't, maybe he lets it acclimate for several months, but maybe not. Probably not with his current demand. So, these little things are going to happen on occasion. You have a nice knife there. Keep it...I would say.

I would love to own one of the Fiddleback knives, but they're almost out of my price range right now. If I ever get one, and it has a little flaw (depending on what it is, of course), I'll just accept it or fix it myself. This knife-owning stuff is quite personal, don't you think? ((:D))
 
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I wouldn't call it "fear" exactly, Stretch. :D

I like KSF and realize they must have a lot invested in these knives. Anyone can be turned off by just a cursory glance at a thread on this forum. I would hate for KSF/Fiddleback to loose business because of my inexperience and lack of knowledge.

The reason I did name names was it became apparent that there would be no resolution unless I did so. Anyway, I'm glad I did.
 
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