Flash Flood at a campground. (Very Sad)

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Well I'll just let you all read, but we lost alot of fellow outdoors lovers in Arkansas. My heart and prayers go to their families.

http://newsbythesecond.com/arkansas-flood-kills-14/2081/

Fourteen people were killed early this morning when flash floods moved through Arkansas, trapping several people. The first six deaths were reported at 3:13 a.m. from the Albert Pike Campground in Montgomery County. North Little Rock National Weather Service confirmed that campgrounds along two rivers, the Caddo and the Little Missouri in Arkansas were overcome as water rose over eight feet in less than 60 minutes. Because there is an estimated 200 – 300 campers in the area along the river banks, no one is certain whether the death toll will continue to rise.

Because of the time the flooding began, most campers were probably caught asleep in their tents and unaware of the rapidly worsening conditions. Bill Sadler from the Arkansas State Police said that they were not sure who was in the area during the flood but that the area was very wide. Searchers have been working their way up the bank of the Little Missouri River in an effort to rescue others who might be stranded, while the Glenwood fire department has been working to remove debris along the Caddo River to ease search efforts there.

The Arkansas National Guard is assisting with the search, deploying helicopters to help find trapped campers along the river since the area is nearly inaccessible by foot. According to the North Little Rock National Weather Service, search and rescue efforts may continue well into the weekend.

Brigette Williams, a representative from the Little Rock Red Cross Chapter, said that shelters have been set up for people in the area to accommodate those displaced by the early morning floods, and that the chapter was already providing care for 25 residents of Silver City Court Housing Project, whose apartments were flooded by the heavy rains.

“As a result of the extensive flooding and continuing rain, we expect the Silver City Court residents to be in the shelter for a couple of days,” explained Williams. “As happens with flash floods, the families arrived with no more than the wet clothes they were wearing. We will be working with our partner organizations to help provide additional needs of the families until they can return home.”

The Red Cross shelter, in addition to offering meals and a safe place to stay, provides victims with care kits containing tooth brushes, toothpaste, and soap. They also hand out teddy bears for children.
 
That's tragic ... smoke and prayers sent to the families who lost loved ones.
 
My prayers go out to the families of those who were killed, and for the ones who were themselves killed.

I have witnessed a couple of flash floods, and they can be incredible in their devastation.
 
My wife was just reading this tragic accident. I know we always discuss locations for setting up camp, but if the camp ground has sites already established, you would think it's safe. I sleep pretty light when outdoors...another good reason to always be prepared to "bug-out" quickly regardless of where you are. I too have seen flash floods and there is little to no reaction time. This is a reminder that you really need to know your environment and expected weather conditions. I've left a small weather radio on overnight in Texas, but it is kind of annoying.

ROCK6
 
My wife was just reading this tragic accident. I know we always discuss locations for setting up camp, but if the camp ground has sites already established, you would think it's safe. I sleep pretty light when outdoors...another good reason to always be prepared to "bug-out" quickly regardless of where you are. I too have seen flash floods and there is little to no reaction time. This is a reminder that you really need to know your environment and expected weather conditions. I've left a small weather radio on overnight in Texas, but it is kind of annoying.

ROCK6

ROCK6 brings up a good point about flash floods: there is often little or no time to react.

Years ago three of us were camping in the desert just under the steep slope down from the [6,000 ft.] mountains. It was a bright, sunny, hot early morning, and we were making coffee. One of the guys noted that it was awful cloudy up in the mountains. Half an hour or forty-five minutes later later there was a sound like a combination of a freight train and a jet plane taking off.

We were camped just above a dry wash, but within minutes, it wasn't dry anymore. A wall of water came roaring down the wash, carrying with it wood, rocks and, of all things, an old refrigerator. If we had of been camped in the dry wash, and the flash flood had of hit a little earlier, I guarantee we wouldn't have lived. Yes, it was that fast.

An hour later it was all over, and most of the water had been adsorbed by the sand, as though nothing had ever happened. The rain that produced the flood was a good three miles and 6,000 ft. in elevation away from us.

Scary? Yep, it was.
 
Having lived in the midwest for over 50 years and then moving to SoCal, I was pretty oblivious to rain. I was sort of annoyed when our scout troop would cancel hikes and camp outs when there was even a tiny threat of rain. I mean, you just get a little wet, right, btdt a million times? Well, it turns out that most of the trails we use (and a lot of campsites) are in these arroyos and dry washes, and once I figured out the deal with these flash floods I was glad I wasn't the one making the call on our outings...

My deepest condolences to those lost in the Arkansas flood, that's a terrible thing.
 
in parts of the world/conditions water rising that fast is not out of the ordinary ..that's why you look at your camp site before for danger.
Get too lazy too walk for water and camp in a funnel/stream bank/lake can get you bit by Mosquitoes or a flash flood.
have made high platform beds a few times when the conditions we're spikey or critters were bad.
 
That's such terrible news, feel real bad for them.

I wish people would think alot more when heading out to play and explore, this includes camping.

I once had a great 1 hour conversation and shared some lunch with a rather older man that had no doubt been in the mountains many times through the years and most certainly looked and smelled like he had been in/up there at this for a long time. we where kind of comparing tools, knives and gear in general that he had and I had and how they have changed through the years with technology. near the end of our talk/lunch he pointed to his head and said "aside of all those tools, knives and gear the most important tool you have and could ever have is right between your ears". that has stuck with me for many years.
 
There are sixteen confirmed deaths so far and more than 40 people still missing. Many of the people were in established cabins at the Albert Pike Campground that had not been succeptable to previous flooding.
 
all our 2 week season class 4 and 5 whitewater rivers are running right now, all the locals are all sorts of messed up over the crazy water we've had this season. Alot of the high mountain passes are washed out...
 
Been a long time since I've camped at Albert Pike in the Ouachita NF. We always enjoyed that area in particular around the Little Missouri Falls.

8 ft is a lot of water when it is unexpected. My thoughts go out for the victims, their families, and friends.
 
Elevation is a big part of the problem. In my little north Jersey town, we are in a flood plain. When the National Weather Service forecasts say we're getting thunderstorms, we watch the surrounding towns get it. We get passing showers. In the Spring, snow melt and rains flood out the roads around us and raise our lakes some 6 feet. One day is fine, maybe even sunny, and the next day the National Guard joins us to help move traffic away from the town.

It is a shame so many were hit in regular campgrounds, but around here we know that the hundred-year-flood can come every Spring. You don't camp on a game trail or a waterway. The farther up the slope, the better.
 
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