Flat Grind Heaven!

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This is the result of a discussion a few weeks ago in The Custom Knife Forum about flat grinding.....

The idea was originated by Ken Onion about a "rotary Platen" to eliminate the annoying thump and bump from tradition platen grinders. Inspired and encouraged by Ken and others, I built a prototype and tried it out today.

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The basic idea is to use a secondary belt like a Tank track which rotates with the abrasive belt. By adjusting the tension on the secondary belt, you can effectively controll the membrane stiffness to appraoch a flat grind.

I started with an industry standard V-ribbed belt...type J, commonly found in machine tools and readily available from power transmission dealers.

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With mini-"V" ribs on the back side, these belts ride on ribbed rollers and are locked in place side to side as the run. The abrasive belt tracks beautifully....and can be steered from side to side while the secondary belt remains in place.

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I made the attachmnet with an optional center roller to add more support and to reduce deflection,....for flatter grinds.

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The tension is precisely adjusted with a sliding bracket and jack screw.

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I was amazed with the stiffness of the taught belt....with out the center roller.......and even more excited when I put the center roller on.

I just finished it today and I've only used it for about a 1/2 hr. I was most suprised by the whisper quite sound when I first turned it on. No belt rubbing across a platen. Then when I started grinding on it....it felt just like a contact wheel :) :) .

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Even though it has hardly been tested.....I couldn't contain my excitement and enthusiasm to share it.

I have another in process one with a different type of belt.

So, whatta ya think...? feasible, waste of time? any ideas for improvement. Would you like to see something different...?

I think it is remarkable! I am not the author of this wonderful idea.....I'm just a regular working smuck that built it. Credit for the idea goes to Ken Onion.

Thanks Ken!

Sincerely,
Rob
 
I would sicerely like to thank Mr. Ken Onion for having the smarts to think of this. Thank you Rob for taking it to a working prototype and to Mike Fitzgerald for getting you and Ken together on this project. This looks like it could save quite a few grinding belts and give a better finish to flat ground blades. Thanks for the sharing, good on you.
KEN (WWJD)
 
Rob, you've done it again. After looking at the pics all I can say is.......I WANT ONE!!
I also want to say that you did a fabulous job on creating that platen for my new grinder........I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on that baby and getting after it!
 
Howdy There Rob...!
Great looking pieceof equipment, how strong and stiff is it when flat grinding. I really like to looks of it, are you goin to have any at the Blade Show in Atlanta..??? Sure want to see one up close and see how it works. Are you going to put them on the market? I think that you have done it again....!

Great Looking work....!

Later "Possum":cool:
 
Well, add this to the list of things I need. :) Ken, fantastic idea! Rob, great job of making this idea a reality!

Brett
 
Amazing. Outstanding idea/Perfect execution, kudos to all involved.
Thanks for sharing it with us Rob.
Regards,
Greg
 
Rob, I would like to be your first tester.

Got any idea about a price?

Same shipping address.....

Dave
 
Outstanding Rob!!!!!! You are doing some amazing things for knife making gear!!!!!
 
Looks like a pretty wonderful machine! Have you tried cok belts for flat grinding? They are available starting around 100 grit down. They won't do anything on wood but on metal the harder it is the better they work, and because they are made on a heavy belt there is no bumping . They are also a very long lasting belt and will give you a good return for your money spent. I know they are made by Hermes, Klingspor and 3-M and are sold by many . Frank Niro.
 
ken/rob, this shows great promise. one of areas that may show some challenge rob. is the hardness of the belt used. i dont know what the durometer of the platen tank track belt used is. i see that 70 to 90 duro seems to be what the contact wheels run. as always it would be a cost per, issue. you asked for feed back and this was a area that came to mind. i feel you guys have started on a very important new khife making tool.:)
 
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