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flat-ground VS. hollow ground ??????
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Rockspyder :
The reason I duplicate work is mainly for me to gauge the effect of the user, it allows me to put the work in perspective. Plus just for reasons of variety I would do it anyway. The only way to make such work in general usable would be if you say had everyone on Bladeforums do it and then look at the distribution of performance which would allow general predictions to be made. Or use such a wide selection of blades that everyone would find at least one to reference against. When I do bone cutting as a durability test, which is often included in the reviews, I will do worse case cutting which is perpendicular for stationary and across the face of the blade if moving, the latter I have experimented with but never looked at in detail as its only relevant for "fighting" knives which I don't have much interest in.
[Mario]
Ask him for details, I am sure he wouldn't mind.
Steve :
Steve, lets assume you do a forceful cut at an attackers limb which is moving across the path of the blade. The knife will now cut into the bone, possibly perpendicular, which due to the motion of the two objects will tend to snap violently across the edge of the blade. Other similar cases are easily possible, obviously though you would need to consider how you would use a blade in a fight, maybe you would never cut into a moving target and maybe if you did you can make sure than the cut would never be perpendicular. In general though, if you do consider movement, combat contacts against bone are easily a step above what you see in processing meat, as when you are preparing an animal it usually isn't moving and you can work slowly and carefully. Obviously though larger animals have much denser bones than people, so if you combined the two and thus did moving contacts against Elk bone and complained about excessive damage it would be realistic for a maker to shake his head in amazement unless of course you specifically asked for a blade designed for "fighting" Elk.
Jerry :
That is indeed what the picture had shown, however the scale on the x-axis was wrong. This is one of the great things about computers they allow you to make mistakes at record speed, since all the images were generated from the same script they all had the x-axis doubled. Thanks for pointing that out. The images have been corrected for Parrell, off to fix the rest.
-Cliff
The reason I duplicate work is mainly for me to gauge the effect of the user, it allows me to put the work in perspective. Plus just for reasons of variety I would do it anyway. The only way to make such work in general usable would be if you say had everyone on Bladeforums do it and then look at the distribution of performance which would allow general predictions to be made. Or use such a wide selection of blades that everyone would find at least one to reference against. When I do bone cutting as a durability test, which is often included in the reviews, I will do worse case cutting which is perpendicular for stationary and across the face of the blade if moving, the latter I have experimented with but never looked at in detail as its only relevant for "fighting" knives which I don't have much interest in.
[Mario]
Ask him for details, I am sure he wouldn't mind.
Steve :
Steve, lets assume you do a forceful cut at an attackers limb which is moving across the path of the blade. The knife will now cut into the bone, possibly perpendicular, which due to the motion of the two objects will tend to snap violently across the edge of the blade. Other similar cases are easily possible, obviously though you would need to consider how you would use a blade in a fight, maybe you would never cut into a moving target and maybe if you did you can make sure than the cut would never be perpendicular. In general though, if you do consider movement, combat contacts against bone are easily a step above what you see in processing meat, as when you are preparing an animal it usually isn't moving and you can work slowly and carefully. Obviously though larger animals have much denser bones than people, so if you combined the two and thus did moving contacts against Elk bone and complained about excessive damage it would be realistic for a maker to shake his head in amazement unless of course you specifically asked for a blade designed for "fighting" Elk.
Jerry :
That is indeed what the picture had shown, however the scale on the x-axis was wrong. This is one of the great things about computers they allow you to make mistakes at record speed, since all the images were generated from the same script they all had the x-axis doubled. Thanks for pointing that out. The images have been corrected for Parrell, off to fix the rest.
-Cliff
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That last post reminds me of an incident in Baltimore last year. Altercation at a bar, the guys go outside to work it out. One of the guys pulls a 2 foot short sword and lops one of the other guy's arms off with it. Now I'm wondering, do you suppose this brain surgeon was using a nice new Hossom-esque or Criswell-esque short sword? Or do you suppose it was just one of those US Cavalry Japanese knock-offs of 420J, just like the majority of knife wounds are kitchen knives?
Anyway.... I suppose irrelevant to this discussion for the most part; I just happened to remember it.
Anyway.... I suppose irrelevant to this discussion for the most part; I just happened to remember it.
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Yeah, I thought that was a bit obtuse... 
