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Flick it open?
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i open my CRKT M16 and my Superknife this way. good times.cmd said:
abe m.
Hi All-
My thumbhole and thumbstud knives are opened in the traditional, one-handed fashion. Deployment time with a knife clipped to my front pocket is probably no more than two seconds. I've carried this type of knife since the late-1980's and haven't seen any advantages associated with flicking.
The standard technique is rapid, controllable, tactilely (not just tactically) positive, and is audibly quieter than flicking due to the sound insulation provided by the web of your thumb. My knives have never had any mechanical problems requiring factory attention by caring for them in this manner, coupled with regular cleaning and lubing.
~ Blue Jays ~
My thumbhole and thumbstud knives are opened in the traditional, one-handed fashion. Deployment time with a knife clipped to my front pocket is probably no more than two seconds. I've carried this type of knife since the late-1980's and haven't seen any advantages associated with flicking.
The standard technique is rapid, controllable, tactilely (not just tactically) positive, and is audibly quieter than flicking due to the sound insulation provided by the web of your thumb. My knives have never had any mechanical problems requiring factory attention by caring for them in this manner, coupled with regular cleaning and lubing.
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stjames said:
Amen to that. Flick any knife hard enough and over time it WILL take a toll.
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Blue Jays said:
I hear no difference in the sound of my BM710 if I flick it open or if I open it as slowly and as carefully as possible. The lock is going to SNAP because of the springs. It makes the same sound no matter what I do. Even if I give it a harder flick than needed it doesn't sound much louder.
I'm sure some knives will sound louder when flicked though.
Interesting how some people assume that flicking a knife is abuse but some manufacturers and custom makers say "Go ahead boy flick that knife, it can take that and more." Some say that the reason flicking harms some knives is due to poor stop pins or insufficient stability in the frame construction.
No need to denigrate the thread or those that flick. I started the thread because I just thought it'd be fun the get a wider opinion. If you don't like the thread, why read it and respond?
Interesting how the flickers don't abuse or denigrate those who don't flick...does that mean they turn the other cheek?
No need to denigrate the thread or those that flick. I started the thread because I just thought it'd be fun the get a wider opinion. If you don't like the thread, why read it and respond?
Interesting how the flickers don't abuse or denigrate those who don't flick...does that mean they turn the other cheek?
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brownshoe said:
I think it really comes down to the knife. Some are just easier to open by flicking, others it's easier and safer to open with a thumb stud or whatever. I don't filck my Sebenza because I don't feel safe doing so. I need more practice, but I don't like flicking a blade open by a thumb stud. If you screw up your thumb is sliding across the blade's edge. So I just push it open and don't flick. I don't flick slip joints obviously.
I usually spydie drop my Spydercos as it's a quick and easy way to open them. My Axis locks I usually flick open. Sometimes I'll open it with the thumb stud if I'm trying to be more discrete, but I always flick it closed. I just think it's funny how some of us can have such a pasionate debate about flicking or not flicking knives.
We need help! I realized this when my wife was reading a post I left up. I was like "Oh my God, I'm debating about the clicking sound my knife makes when I open it, she's going to think I'm insane!"
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Well, everyone is of course entitled to their opinions, whether flicking is a useful thing or a silly, immature practice, I personally liken it to people who think shooting their pistols sideways: "Gangsta" style is cool, but to each his own, and, yes, of course, I have flicked open a knife or 2, I just don't do it often, don't see the need.
But, I will end with this, whether one company recommends flicking, or not, has no bearing on whether that knife can handle it, since it goes without saying, but I will since BS is at it again, that you could in theory have a knife that is THE most able to resist/handle repeated flicking, but, for whatever reason, the maker doesn't like flicking, and indictes it with his warrantee, and, you can have a knife that is a piece of garbage, that will become way out of spec from moderate flicking, but, for whatever reason, the maker says: "Go ahead, flick it, it'll be fine, and covered under warrantee".
Warrantees are pieces of paper, and do not posses some magical, magnetic force that affects the properties of the steels and materials used in the knives they cover, to argue otherwise is plain silly. If mercedes said, if you get into a head on collision, you are at great risk, and we assume no liability, and Yugo says, go ahead, get in a head on, you'll be fine... Guess what car I want to be in in a head on collision, a warrantee is paper, knives, or cars are not.
I know many guys who flick and otherwise use their Sebenzas HARD, harder than most knives ever get used, no problems yet, and, I know many knives by companies that claim flicking is OK, like Emerson productions, to use one of BS' examples, that deteriorate quickly, or, they start out all screwed up to begin with.
How often do you hear of somebody having a warrantee issue with a Sebenza, I personally have never witnessed it, nor even heard of it, except that one, famous case where the guy tried to alter the knife himself and messed it up, yet, how often do you hear of warrantee issues with, let's say Emersons, frankly, pretty often, same even goes for Striders, whose knives I like a lot, but, not Chris Reeve knives, you basically NEVER hear of, nor experience a defect, now, doesn't that tell you anything, if it doesn't, you just are not being honest.
A Sebenza is one of the few production knives that is meant to and can last a lifetime, maybe several, and yes, there are lots of relatively disposable, cheaper knives that will not last very long if used hard, that do not prohibit flicking, you can say what you want about CRK's warrantee and the flicking issue, but, I defy anybody, well, anybody who isn't out to smear CRK, like BS, to say the Sebenza is not a very well made, and capable knife, you might not like it for any number of reasons, but, the quality and strength is undeniable, to anybody who has the ability to be objective.
But, I will end with this, whether one company recommends flicking, or not, has no bearing on whether that knife can handle it, since it goes without saying, but I will since BS is at it again, that you could in theory have a knife that is THE most able to resist/handle repeated flicking, but, for whatever reason, the maker doesn't like flicking, and indictes it with his warrantee, and, you can have a knife that is a piece of garbage, that will become way out of spec from moderate flicking, but, for whatever reason, the maker says: "Go ahead, flick it, it'll be fine, and covered under warrantee".
Warrantees are pieces of paper, and do not posses some magical, magnetic force that affects the properties of the steels and materials used in the knives they cover, to argue otherwise is plain silly. If mercedes said, if you get into a head on collision, you are at great risk, and we assume no liability, and Yugo says, go ahead, get in a head on, you'll be fine... Guess what car I want to be in in a head on collision, a warrantee is paper, knives, or cars are not.
I know many guys who flick and otherwise use their Sebenzas HARD, harder than most knives ever get used, no problems yet, and, I know many knives by companies that claim flicking is OK, like Emerson productions, to use one of BS' examples, that deteriorate quickly, or, they start out all screwed up to begin with.
How often do you hear of somebody having a warrantee issue with a Sebenza, I personally have never witnessed it, nor even heard of it, except that one, famous case where the guy tried to alter the knife himself and messed it up, yet, how often do you hear of warrantee issues with, let's say Emersons, frankly, pretty often, same even goes for Striders, whose knives I like a lot, but, not Chris Reeve knives, you basically NEVER hear of, nor experience a defect, now, doesn't that tell you anything, if it doesn't, you just are not being honest.
A Sebenza is one of the few production knives that is meant to and can last a lifetime, maybe several, and yes, there are lots of relatively disposable, cheaper knives that will not last very long if used hard, that do not prohibit flicking, you can say what you want about CRK's warrantee and the flicking issue, but, I defy anybody, well, anybody who isn't out to smear CRK, like BS, to say the Sebenza is not a very well made, and capable knife, you might not like it for any number of reasons, but, the quality and strength is undeniable, to anybody who has the ability to be objective.
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it seems as if we're all assuming that flicking is the only factor in quickly damaging a stop pin. aren't there numerous ways (UNDER WARRANTY) to wear down or rapidly damage/degrade the pin? heck, repeated opening and closes (even gentle thumb openings), hard cuts that put pressure on the stop pin, fast and powerful cuts, etc.?
abe m.
abe m.
Hey its two simple questions megloman, why not let people answer them instead of tying up the thread with your tirade about sebenza's superiority. You know its kind of like a poll...which rhymes with troll. The questions are:
- Do you like to flick your knives?
- If a manufacturer claimed flicking was abuse, would you feel that there was something wrong with that knife compared to others?
The word sebenza is not in either question. Nor did I ask if flicking was appropriate behavior. See flicking is kind of like picking a nose. I pick my nose, but in some cultures its inappropriate. I think most people pick their nose sometimes and that it is satisfying to get the goobers out. I would feel that a nose that was too small and did not allow picking would be inferior to other noses.
The questions are:- Do you like to flick your knives?
- If a manufacturer claimed flicking was abuse, would you feel that there was something wrong with that knife compared to others?
The word sebenza is not in either question. Nor did I ask if flicking was appropriate behavior. See flicking is kind of like picking a nose. I pick my nose, but in some cultures its inappropriate. I think most people pick their nose sometimes and that it is satisfying to get the goobers out. I would feel that a nose that was too small and did not allow picking would be inferior to other noses.
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'flicking' ruined my Spydie Police, bent the spine/lock.
CMD, Thanks for asking, it would be best if I don't answer or megaman and some of the other sebenza lovers will go off on their tirades. I believe the sebenza is hyped to the max and every so often, I feel it my duty to this community to give a different opinion. I get flak, but that's OK. The one thing about the sebenza that's clear and not my opinion, is CRK says that systematic flicking is bad for their knife (and they say other knives as well) and will void their warranty. I wanted to get a more general idea of how many people flick and how many agree that a well made knife shouldn't be flicked.
Merury/Haze, spydies are designed to be flicked open with the spydie drop. I've flicked my liner and lockback spydies many times with no trouble. Maybe your police failed for another reason. You may want to send it in.
Merury/Haze, spydies are designed to be flicked open with the spydie drop. I've flicked my liner and lockback spydies many times with no trouble. Maybe your police failed for another reason. You may want to send it in.
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while i always flick or drop my Spydies, i'm also confident that they are not "designed to be flicked open with the spydie drop." they can obviously take it, but designed for it? nah.brownshoe said:
abe m.