Flicking Open My New Sebenza

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My first Sebenza just arrived today. Immediately out of the box, I "tested" it by flicking it open with one hand (it opened nicely).

Now a little background before the hyperventilation begins. I have been opening all of my knives like this since I first learned the silly little trick from my brother- Benchmades, Cold Steel, etc. It feels very comfortable and easy, and NEVER did it occur to me that this could be damaging to a knife. Until today.

In a strange incident of synchronicity, it occured to me that it might not be a good idea with this expensive beauty, so I came here to post a question regarding this topic. Then I saw the thread on the non-working lock and my answer was right there.

Now some of you are undoubtably thinking I'm a dummy, but please be nice. I probably would have encountered this issue if I'd have looked aound a bit, but I didn't.

So apparently this damages the lock. I guess I have to start to learn to use my thumb (gently?).

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John Gonzalez
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Interesting little synchronicity Kumdo.
Now I have a question.
How many of you have ever "flicked" open your Sebenza? How many times? Has the lock loosened at all?
Please be honest.
Inquiring minds want to know.
Lenny
 
i have never flicked open any of my sebenzas as i read about chris warning not to do this with any of his products and the potential damage it can do a few months before i ever owned a sebbie and for some reason the post and subsequent threads stuck in my head.....now prior to reading his advice i was a flicking fool with all of my other knives and over time and a few hundred flicks i could definitely see accelerated wear with my benchmades and spydercos when i used to cary them......dont have any of the benchmades anymore and still have a few spydies i carry now and then....feverdoc
 
My Sebenzas are too tight to flick, and I don't think my Umfaans have enough blade mass to accomplish a flick.

I like them this way. It keeps me from being tempted and keeps others from doing it to my CRK folders.

Flicking a knife is like throwing open the cylinder on a revolver. It's abusive.

. . . and yes, I've done both.

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Frank Norman
Frank's Page
 
Uh jeez! I am feeling a little queasy now. I ordered a Large with wood inlay a couple of weeks ago. This will be my first Sebenza.

I have a Benchmade axis 710 (usual carry knife) that I have flicked open about, oh 10,000 times. I also have the Benchmade Ballisong.

This just goes to show how I feel about opening a folding knife.

I am somewhat dissapointed and a little concerned about this information. Is there somewhere I can look to find out more about this subject?

Is there anyone out there who is willing to admit that they have flicked their Sebenza on a routine basis?




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Larry Fasnacht
Omaha, Nebraska
 
Flipping a knife open will cause premature wear. I have a Darrel Ralph Apogee. He makes a manual version (mine) and a "illusion realese" which is an auto. I asked him about flippng my Apogee because I thought that since it has a auto brother, it would handle flippng. He said that flippng will cause premature wear and that autos have to be built very stong because activating them is more stress than flippng. That is also why his autos are almost twice as expensive. Needles to say I don't flip my Apogee any more and have never flipped my wood Sebenza. The knife opens so smooth that it is not necessary. Time saved by flippng is small and not worth the damage it causes. I feel the same way about automatic knives that I do about automatic rifles, the speed of openning/firing is ofset by the damage/ inaccurasy of fire. I would not recommened flipping any knife open. In California, flipping constitutes a gravity knife which consitutes a felony. Anyway, for me it takes too much energy to flip a knife. Better to open it the way it was intended. Once I flipped open a CQC-7 and I needed a screwdriver to close it! Just my $.02.
 
Honestly, I usually flick open my Sebenzas once or twice every time I clean and relube them. I don't want to take the time to do the search...but the regulars on the CRK forum will remember that in a reply once, Anne even said that this is sometimes necessary upon reassembly to seat the lock and get everything lined up properly. I know I am not crazy in remembering this...because I do not do anything that will harm or cause premature wear on my beloved blades...
 
Superman, you're right. That is the only time CRK recommends flicking. It may be in the FAQ. I'm too lazy to look it up.

Larry, you nailed me! Peered into my soul and nailed me.

The BM Axis Lock is the one knife in my collection that I DO flick whenever I pick it up. It's just so easy to do!

BTW, welcome to the forums and especially the CRK Forum!

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Frank Norman
Frank's Page
 
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Sorry

[This message has been edited by Big Al (edited 01-06-2001).]
 
Frank,

Thanks for the welcome. I have been watching this site for a couple of months while screwed up the courage to plunk down $559.50 for a knife.

I really like my BM 710. I have several autos that I don't think are near as handy. Not only does the 710 come out nice, but it is just as easy to put away.

I have watched with trepidation the threads dealing with the "gravity" knife situation. It would be my understanding that as long as a "flick", or some other action, was required to open the knife then it wouldn't be a "gravity" knife. Is that right?

I read in Blade Mag about the problems that (forgive me I have fogoten the name, but they make the KISS knives), have been having with US Customs. Really unbelievable. Sounds more like one of the old time communist countries, not America.



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Larry Fasnacht
Omaha, Nebraska
 
My large Sebenza:
Plain handle, plain blade, no frills.

A little history on this knife:
It is the first Sebenza I ever sold.

It went to a cab driver who came into the store and bought it right after the first shipment came in. He carried it for a few months and then it went missing.

A couple of years later, he got it back. (Long story, no relevance here)

Since he had already replaced it, he brought it into the store and traded it for another knife that he had been admiring.

At first, I was going to send it back to Chris for refurbishing. It had seen some pretty hard use and a lot of abuse. The blade was scratched and dull, the handles were worn and the whole thing was filthy. (I don't even want to know what was on it)

Instead of sending it back, though, I decided to take it apart and clean it myself. I figured that I could always send it in if it was too far gone.

As it turned out, it cleaned up very well with alcohol and a toothbrush. (I literally sterilized and disinfected the thing.)

A little while with a Flitz polishing & sanding kit on the blade and most of the scratches were gone. (I couldn't get them all, they were too deep and I didn't feel like wearing that much blade away.)

The bottom line was that, after all that, the knife didn't look too bad. I had lubed it after cleaning and it was very smooth operating. Lockup was tight. No blade wobble. No nicks in the blade. No dents or deep scratches on the handle and the thing cuts better than any other knife i have ever had, even when "dull".

I decided to keep it for my own carry. Since I knew the history of the knife it was a natural, easy decision to make. I've carried it ever since (almost a year, now.)

It has no clip. I have spares but chose not to put one on. It rides horizontally in a cordura ballistic pouch on my belt, above my right hip. (Someday it will be in a G2) It is always there, even in dress clothes.

Since it was already "broken in", I haven't taken any pains to protect it. It gets hard use and does not get coddled. I don't abuse it. ( I know what knives are for and it asn't prying open paint cans or car doors). I carve wood, trim rope, open packages, strip wire, cut up cardboard boxes, (a LOT of boxes) cut hose, anything you can envision using a daily knife for with no problems. I sharpen it now and then. (Sometimes it even needs it).

The knife has been "flicked" hundreds, if not thousands, of times. It's how I open it every time I use it. (I love that authoritive SNAP when it opens.) Lockup is tight. No blade movement when locked. Lock travel is about 95%. I have noticed no problems, whatsoever with this knife.

(Qualifying statement here: I don't get the blade moving anywhere near Mach 1. I just push with my thumb while moving my wrist with enough speed to keep the blade moving, smartly, into lockup. I'm not, necessarily, brutal in the motion but I'm not particularly gentle, either.)

The point to all of this is some of you folks seem to be having second thoughts about your Sebenzas.

Stop worrying. If you want to keep them as new, put them up in their boxes and forget about them. They won't deteriorate. They won't rust and they won't get dull. the locks won't wear and the blades won't develop a wobble. Maybe, someday, your heirs will find them and than someone might get some use out of them. Of course, they won't be of much use to you, but they sure won't get scratched.

C'mon guys. Lighten up. We're talking about a SEBENZA, here, not some delicate mechanism that will go out of whack at the slightest use.

I'm not saying that you should abuse the thing but, fer cryin' out loud, it's not going to fall apart if you should happen to push the blade a bit too hard or move your wrist a bit too fast when opening and the thing goes SNAP. Nor am I disputing Chris, when he says that you shouldn't make a practice of flicking it open. Just don't be timid about using it.

Unless you get carried away and try to pry open a car door or open a safe with it the Sebenza will outlast you. Just remember, it's a TOOL. It is bound to show some use and will, eventually, need some service, as does any precision instrument. Keep things in perspective.

Don't be afraid to use your knives. That's what they were made for. It won't even hurt them if you occasionally give in to the temptation and flick it now and then, or if you accidentally open it too fast. You aren't going to damage it that way. Just don't get carried away or make it a practice.

I know that what I'm doing with my Sebenza is against the advice and policy of CRK but I also don't plan to send my knife in claiming warranty service if what I'm doing causes the thing to wear out, say around 2030 or thereabouts. I just keep on flickin' and it just keeps on clickin'.

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Dennis Wright
Wright Knife & Sporting Goods
La Mesa, CA
1-800-400-1980
wrightknife@ixpres.com
("Have a knife day!")
 
I have to agree with Dennis. I have a large ironwood Sebenza. I don't carry this one very often but when I do and I open it I flick it open. I do not flick and snap my wrist to get a loud crack, just enough push to acheive lockup on first flick. I have always done this with all of the knives I've owned that have a thumb opening device. I have never had any trouble with weakened lockup on them. Now bear in mind most if not all are high quality knives with several being customs. My current carry is a Crawford Kasper that I flick open each and every time I open it. I have had no problem with lockup.

Now on the other side. I work part time at the local Wal Mart and have sold several knives to some of the associates. I noticed that a few have loosened there blades so that a wrist snap will cause the blade to leap out and lock up with a sharp crack. This is in my opinion going to cause accelerated wear on all parts involved. I finally had to sit these boys down and explain to them what was going to happen if they kept it up. Guess it worked since I have ot heard any loud cracks in recent weeks!

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Art Sigmon
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me"
Php. 4:13

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword"
Heb. 4:12
 
Very good point. When I flick open a blade, I try to get just enough momentum to get it to lock open. Each knife I own is different. My Cold Steel XL Gunsite needs quite a heavy snap to get it open, while my Emerson needs only a gentle flick. It makes me cringe when a blade is blasted open- it just feels/sounds disrespectful. I believe that, barring the occasional misjudgement, my "flicks" does no more dammage to a knife than if I were to use my thumb to open it.



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John Gonzalez
Exclusive Dealer
Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works
 
I don't understand what you guys mean by needing to lightly flick in order to achieve lookup "the first time".

I open my Seb by pushing out on the thumb lug, while *at the same time* using my last three fingers to counter-push on the handle. Trying to use my thumb alone usually requires pushing, resetting my hand, then pushing again.

With the contrary pressure trick, I can open it as fast as I want, with as much pressure as I want. It works on both my small and large. Sometimes, the blade opens so fast that I wonder if I'm not approaching the same amount of stress as ordinary flicking would...

Anyway, just wondering what you meant, since I can't visualize any need for one's wrist to come into play.
 
John-

Reason that the "flick" method for me is so appealing is because, like you, I have to either "reset" my thumb or use my other fingers to continue the opening procedure.

I've found that even the stiffest action easily opens with a flick- easier than trying to use my fingers. When I flick, basically I accelerate the closed knife like I am trying to hit something with the spine of blade, flat. Just a small motion, and then I pull back in the same perpendicular motion with a snap. It take some practice, especially if you haven't seen someone do it.


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John Gonzalez
Exclusive Dealer
Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works
 
Thou shall not flick!
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{Multiple Sebenza owner}

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Mike
 
By habit, I always ride the thumbstud open on my Sebenzas. I received my second Sebbie (a small plain) about a week ago. I was in the midst of the almost religious experience of opening the new knife and familiarizing myself with it when my next door neighbor picked it up off the desk to see what the big deal was. Before I could say anything he used an "all wrist" flick to slam the blade open. Not that I have any serious fear of lock damage from an occasional flick, but that sure did make me sick to my stomach!

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"I'm out there Jerry, and I'm lovin' every minute of it!"--Kramer
 
Thanks Dennis.
With practice, one can inertia open a knife as softly as with a thumb.
I can open my Manuals with a soft click.
You learn just what you need to have it go far enough to lock.
When in doubt, you can pull your hand back. This adds to opening.
Nobody wants to use more force than necessary.
One might use more in an emergency.
If the knife won`t stand this, I don`t need it.
I think that Chris should stand by his knives and we should be honest about what we do with them.
Believe me; honest feed back is important.
I have always tried to get it.
So what? They are made to use.
Nothing less will make the long run.
 
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