Flippers, just another fashion?

OilMan said:
Isn't that basically what a fuller/BLOODGROOVE/I-beam does? I may be wrong.
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I-beams and Fullers (which are "bloodgrooves") DO lighten the material without sacrificing strength, but don't involve holes in the material. I believe also, that it's not that I-beams are any STRONGER than full steel columns would be, but rather that they aren't WEAKER while saving weight and allowing flex.
 
Flippers are not a fad and won't be going away. Look for them to be incorporated in new designs even more. Pretty soon you will be posting the same thing about wave designs, as they will start to show up more.:)
 
I have 2 flipper knives with AO. They work just as advertised. I think it is a great way to open a knife.
 
SpyderJon said:
I-beams and Fullers (which are "bloodgrooves") DO lighten the material without sacrificing strength, but don't involve holes in the material. I believe also, that it's not that I-beams are any STRONGER than full steel columns would be, but rather that they aren't WEAKER while saving weight and allowing flex.
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Well said. :thumbup:

This comes up pretty regularly...

The idea of a fuller is to reduce weight in suuch a way as to minimize the loss of strength. To use the I-beam for an extreme case: it may be only half as strong as a full-rectangular-section beam of the same dimensions would be, but weighs about 1/10th as much. That's the advantage: a greater reduction in weight than reduction in strength.
 
it seems like most blades w flippers are assisted = illegal here. i also dont think the hole where the stud goes makes the blade weaker, ok it does, but i dont think it matters atleast not for folders since the pivotarea will be much much weaker anyway. personally i prefer discs.. ;)
 
seems like most blades w flippers are assisted = illegal here
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Where are you located M Wadel, I am unaware of AO's being illegal anywhere in the states?
 
Mr. Thomas brings up a good point .. .the nly thing that bothers me about A.O. flppers is the fact that some believe in the future they will be made illegal . .but until then they are (to me) the best pocket knives out there.
 
Thomas, I don't know where M Wadel is at, but here they might as well be illegal. The fact is that you can be arrested and for carrying an automatic with an AO knife where I live. Now you will get the charges dropped, most likely, as they aren't really autos- nor are they technically illegal (although I maintain the ET is VERY borderline with MA's statute written as it is); but you'll still be out a knife and have to cough up the money for a decent lawyer. That's why I'm so excited the JYD will be a fully manual flipper!
 
SpyderJon said:
Thomas, I don't know where M Wadel is at, but here they might as well be illegal. The fact is that you can be arrested and for carrying an automatic with an AO knife where I live. Now you will get the charges dropped, most likely, as they aren't really autos- nor are they technically illegal
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You said an automatic with an AO . .did you mean a flipper or folder with AO? . .Because we all know that Autos are illegal. I am not sure what you meant by that.:confused:
 
Thomas W said:
Where are you located M Wadel, I am unaware of AO's being illegal anywhere in the states?
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im in EU (but not the UK) the laws are very restrictive here
 
Stephan said:
You said an automatic with an AO . .did you mean a flipper or folder with AO? . .Because we all know that Autos are illegal. I am not sure what you meant by that.:confused:
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Flippers are legal, no problem. AO knives can be considered automatics here. That is, that the police here are not too keen on the technical differences between an AO knife (like the Speedsafe) and a "real" automatic. Sorry if I was unclear
 
i can imagine the guys at customs when the open the package, try to open the knife and then it just opens, aha they say, its a stiletto - illegal yup. we better report him to the cops. its seems like they open everything that contains metal for some strange reason
 
I currently EDC a Kershaw Leek and have no fear of it being considered illegal here in Wis. For quite a while I carried a Piranha automatic every day and even knowing that it was not legal never really had a fear. I'm too old to be showing all my friends my "cool" knife so if used discretely I fail to see what everyones fear of legality is. I even lent the Piranha to a couple of people on occasion but opened it away from their line of sight and closed it for them when they were completed with their task. The only comments I ever received were in regards to the sharpness of the blade.

Back to the Leek with the flipper, most damned fun I've ever had with a blade. Looking forward to the 1660TIZDP!
 
jvan said:
I'm too old to be showing all my friends my "cool" knife so if used discretely I fail to see what everyones fear of legality is.
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I agree that some people are a bit paranoid about the law. I, however, live in a college community, and the law here is what it is. I get caught, even if it ends up being bogus, and my wife can get fired. We lose our housing, and over what? Some cop decided to "run me in" because he thinks I'm carrying an Auto. Even though I carry knives legal in the Student handbook here (though I'm not a student), they can still arrest you for a weapon in a school zone. They do this about 5-10 times a year, and usually when its otherwise quiet on the campus (like it is now that summer's here). And let's also face it that the campus police are not necessarily THAT savvy when it comes to what the laws REALLY say.

Now, I personally have a philosophy that says that when I choose to go forth with a knife (which can be considered a weapon), I will do so while remaining as anonymous as possible. I don't flash either, but I'd ALSO rather not be the object of a bored Campus police officer's curiosity.
 
Well .. it seems the cops might be twisting the interpretation of the law a bit .. although many believe that AO's are using their own 'legal jargon' against them by making a knife that slips through the cracks of what is considered legal.

I guess it can go both ways.:D
 
What is the law - "It depends"

I've been having that little bit of enlightenment brought to my attention a lot lately. Why?

It depends.
 
Like I said, you'll get the charges dropped because the AO ISN'T illegal. However, you'll still have to have legal representation, and your problems will end up on the police blotter. For what? So you can have a knife with a spring in it, when you could have just had a manual flipper. I don't think so.
 
SpyderJon, I hear what your saying, but I think your argument is a little on the paranoid side. We ship out thousands of AO's a month, and have for the last 8 years. The number of people that have called us with the situation you describe is a literally a handful, and most of those folks had "other" more serious charges that brought the attention to this "illegal knife" in the first place.
IMHO, if you have an AO knife and are acting like a responsible adult, you rarely if ever will have an issue, if your not acting responsible, my guess is you will have a ton more to worry about than whether your knife is illegal or not.
 
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