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I asked the cute pharmacist at CVS if it came in suppository form (kept a straight face). All of a sudden it got real quiet throughout that section of the the store. Will no longer use that line again. Cheers
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Just to set the record straight you cannot get the "flu' from the injectable flu shot. Injectable flu vaccine is made from bits and pieces of dead flu virus. Your immune system produces antibodies against the protein markers on the bits and pieces of the dead virus. A good analogy I like to use with patients is a pizza. If you take a pizza and remove a piece of cheese and a piece of pepperoni from it and put that piece of cheese and pepperoni in the oven it is not going to miraculously produce a whole pizza. Same thing with the flu vaccine. There is no way that bits and pieces of dead virus can reassemble and produce a live virus. It is not the zombie virus. What happens is that once you get the flu injection it typically takes your immune system about 10-14 days where it can produce a significant antibody response to fight off the flu. During that time you are still at risk for getting the flu. A lot of times someone who comes to get their flu shot has already been exposed/infected with the flu virus or gets exposed right after the shot. Post exposure you typically start to show symptoms at 1-4 days. So they feel fine when they get their shot but they are already infected. The flu vaccine does not have time to take effect, they get sick and blame the flu shot. After this cause and effect scenario this person is convinced the flu shot made them sick and this becomes a self perpetuating "truth". The nasal flu vaccine is a different animal. Nasal Flu is an attenuated whole live virus. Attenuated means the virus has been weakened via chemical or a heat treating process; you can get a mild illness from this version. Also important to note that the flu is a respiratory illness. Many individuals get a stomach (gastrointestinal) virus and mistakenly call it the flu. H1N1 can also have stomach symptoms associated with the illness.
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This is gettin goodCan you elaborate on that Kronck? Bawana's prolly asleep by now eh?
saw that once on a UK comedy 'game' show called QI with steven fry (once partnered on tv with hugh lorrie (dr. house)) apparently the 19c doctors reccommended tobacco for a lot of ailments, and was thought especially stimulating for the lungs. i guess someone thought the nicotine in the smoke 'inhaled' rectally would stimuate breathing. resuscitation kits wer all the rage. didn't work, of course.
[video=youtube;6uEJbwGYaDs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uEJbwGYaDs[/video]
don't wake bawanna up yet, he's not old enough yet to watch this.
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You, know, I have heard that faulty reasoning constantly every year I tell doctors I am refusing to be given the flu. Now to the proof you are wrong. I spent years in the Army being given mandatory flu shots. Every year within 1 week of the shots I go on sick call and am told by the doctor I have the flu and was issued light duty. No "I think I have the flu" for me this is a Military doctor telling me I have the flu. Every year written into my medical records within 1 week of being given a flu shot. Once I resigned my commission and no longer had to get a flu shot theN poof. Not a single year have I had the flu. So. Explain that one if you can.
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you are a statistical anomaly. maybe you have some mutant ancient alien dna in your ancestral bloodline? we should apply for a grant from the CDC to study you. a few hundred million should start us off, you can paypal it to me & i'll get the lab set up and start hiring friends and relatives. we'll pay you a salary and expenses of course. i'll warn the local pub to stock up. with the current attitude to illegal aliens, we may have to smuggle you in across the channel from calais in a small one man rubber boat at night in a storm. don't worry tho, i've patched the holes in the inflatable life jacket. it's got a nice paddle for propulsion too. a few migrants have almost made it, so you have a good chance. i'll even spring for some life insurance, a few million or so. (with me a beneficiary of course since i'm paying)
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If you had the flu the doc would not have given you light duty to go around and infect others with no immunity. If you had the flu you would not be able to get out of bed and work light duty. You most likely had a mild reaction to the flu shot which is very common. Mild symptoms such as malaise, low grade fever, headache, muscle aches, and nausea. Anyone who has had a case of real flu will tell you they were sick as a dog; you are not going to be walking around and working light duty. Sounds like a case of another provider not explaining things well to their patient.
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I believe this is exactly what people are talking about. I get it too after a flu shot, and I hate it. I'd rather not get the shot, and take my chances instead. Granted with my 7 yo being a germ transport, getting a flu shot to hopefully alleviate the symptoms of a flu, if I do get it, and is a strain included in the current flu shot, then I see why I tolerate the flu shot for now. I didn't take a flu shot for over 20 years, and never got sick once once in my 20's and 30's, sniffles and common colds once in awhile, but no flu.
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Yea, I'm hoping for a repeat of last year, I had no symptoms then, and I'm hoping for the same this year. I've heard that most people had no symptoms this year, but my mother and father did though (could be attributed to their advanced age though). My wife is a RN and is doing the flu shot clinic right now. She has noticed and heard that there hasn't been many instances of reactions from this year's vaccines so far.
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The word "flu" is widely misused by the public to describe a host of other ailments, including many less-severe URIs (upper respiratory infections), and some people even say that they have the "stomach flu" when they have an infection with GI symptoms. If you come down with actual influenza type A, you will be so sick and miserable you won't be able to do anything, usually lasting for a period of 7 to 10 days. As others have said, it is impossible to get influenza from a flu shot. I happen to have a master's degree in public health, and I have seen enough actual data to know that this is true. But it is possible to experience mild flu symptoms for a day or two after receiving a flu shot, but even that is uncommon. I had the flu many years ago, and I have no desire to repeat the experience, so I get a flu shot every year. In fact, I just happened to get mine two days ago. Other than some mild swelling and tenderness at the injection site, I have not experienced any other symptoms.
"Just to set the record straight you cannot get the 'flu' from the injectable flu shot. Injectable flu vaccine is made from bits and pieces of dead flu virus. Your immune system produces antibodies against the protein markers on the bits and pieces of the dead virus. A good analogy I like to use with patients is a pizza. If you take a pizza and remove a piece of cheese and a piece of pepperoni from it and put that piece of cheese and pepperoni in the oven it is not going to miraculously produce a whole pizza. Same thing with the flu vaccine. There is no way that bits and pieces of dead virus can reassemble and produce a live virus."
I have been getting the flu shot every year for many years, and have never gotten the flu or any negative reactions in that period, despite exposure to young family members who are in school.
That said, I find the above argument somewhat unconvincing because it hinges on the assumption that the manufacturing process used by the pharmaceutical industry is 100 percent reliable. I have little confidence in the big pharmaceutical companies or the government oversight agencies, when hundreds of millions of dollars in profits are at stake. Maybe the vaccine is always "made from bits and pieces of dead flu virus," and maybe a few live virus make it through the process and infect people, albeit a small percentage. Without knowing more about the manufacturing process we are just taking the word of the industry and their pet watchdog agencies and medical professionals who have blind faith in industry and government. It's not as if we never hear about contamination scandals of one kind or another in processes that are supposed to be well regulated.
The pizza analogy is naive. You could use that reasoning to prove that it is impossible to get food poisoning at a restaurant because they cook the food. Yet it happens. Some restaurants cut corners. Some kitchen staff are careless. Some pathogens are more robust than others. Some pharmaceutical companies don't care if we live or die as long as they make their profits, and that pressure is passed down from corporate headquarters to the manufacturing facilities.
I'm willing to take a small risk and get the vaccine, since worst case is that I get the flu and I'd probably get it anyway without the shot. The odds are good. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if there's more "corner cutting" of the batches of vaccine sold to the military, since they have a captive audience who are in no position to file class action lawsuits.
I have been getting the flu shot every year for many years, and have never gotten the flu or any negative reactions in that period, despite exposure to young family members who are in school.
That said, I find the above argument somewhat unconvincing because it hinges on the assumption that the manufacturing process used by the pharmaceutical industry is 100 percent reliable. I have little confidence in the big pharmaceutical companies or the government oversight agencies, when hundreds of millions of dollars in profits are at stake. Maybe the vaccine is always "made from bits and pieces of dead flu virus," and maybe a few live virus make it through the process and infect people, albeit a small percentage. Without knowing more about the manufacturing process we are just taking the word of the industry and their pet watchdog agencies and medical professionals who have blind faith in industry and government. It's not as if we never hear about contamination scandals of one kind or another in processes that are supposed to be well regulated.
The pizza analogy is naive. You could use that reasoning to prove that it is impossible to get food poisoning at a restaurant because they cook the food. Yet it happens. Some restaurants cut corners. Some kitchen staff are careless. Some pathogens are more robust than others. Some pharmaceutical companies don't care if we live or die as long as they make their profits, and that pressure is passed down from corporate headquarters to the manufacturing facilities.
I'm willing to take a small risk and get the vaccine, since worst case is that I get the flu and I'd probably get it anyway without the shot. The odds are good. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if there's more "corner cutting" of the batches of vaccine sold to the military, since they have a captive audience who are in no position to file class action lawsuits.
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LoL, obviously you have never been in a logistics unit in the Army. Light Duty means go to your room and stay there until sick call tomorrow BUT you are available if we ship out. Sorry this is a case of me not explaining things well to you. The only way you get anything beyond "light duty" is if you are admitted into the hospital or dead. It has to do with "available for duty" math which means you are in 1 of 4 categories. 1 normal duty 2 light duty 3 Absent from duty, medical (in the hospital) 4 Dead.
I currently take Ondansatron every 8 hours and rotate Promethazine every 8 hours so I am taking 1 or the other every 4 hours for acute, chronic, necrotizing pancreatitis. Trust me, I can tell you all about nausea. So, nah, not MILD symptoms back then as I remember them. Still perhaps I am remembering them wrong and the doctor was one of the strain of hang nail 1 ibuprofen, Broken wrist 2 ibuprofen and disemboweled 4 ibuprofen type
Still seems like a real coincidence that it happened every year for 7 years and hasn't since I quit taking them. <shrug> Either way, the flu shot is just the same as roulette pay your money and spin the wheel just like any other insurance of any type.
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Pretty much. I prefer not, but my kid's pedi dr is making us parents get it for now.