Fluted Handle question

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My fiancee would like a garter dagger for our wedding. The tricky thing is that she wants a fluted handle for it in white material. So far all that I can find is fluted buffalo horn. I have read a few tutorials on the matter and am not sure if I can do it justice on my own. So what I am asking is do any of you know where I can get what I am looking for? It will (in the end) probably have a red wire wrap as red and white are the colors for the wedding.

If I can't find anything and have to do it on my own could anybody suggest a good synthetic material to do this on as I do not believe I should afford ivory for it. Where would you suggest looking for white rounds??

Thanks!
 
Ivory micarta looks wonderful in my opinion. you should be able to find a source for it, or you can make your own. there are great tutorials linked on this forum on how to make your own micarta. I am not sure what type of material it is made out of. ivory colored linnen, or even cotton, or paper should work fine.
it is one of my favorite micarta colors, and would look great with red wire.
 
I don't quite understand how you would wrap a fluted handle. First question - are the flutes to be straight or helical ? The most convenient material I think would be Corian. Not expensive, easy to work. You could then use red spacers on each end of the handle.
 
K&G have alternate ivory in a block suitable for what you are looking to do. They also have a white epoxy block which could work. They also have a red looking inlace block that might work for reverse colors. MIKE
 
I was thinking of the old practice for swords and knives to completely wrap the handle perpendicular to the blade -that would be hard with flutes !!! Go to it and show us the finished product !
 
K&G did have some fluted bone, white, that wasn't real large. It's a preformed dagger handle. If you can't find one, send me a PM. I have one.

Gene
 
Mete,I think he is wanting to make a small version of the MS Quillion Dagger...

Cuts like a Kris--Pearl makes a awesome garter dagger,and you can make the sheath from pearl also for it.And if you want to they make a synthetic version in rounds that is easy to carve and polish.
Fluting the handle isnt that hard.You can do it.Just get it layed out and make the first cuts with a 3 corner file then use those lines to guide a round file for the flutes and then use the 3 corner file inbetween the rounded flutes to make cuts to set the twisted wire in.
Bruce
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Gene- I'll call them on Wed. as I can't see it on their site now. If not I'll get in touch, thank you for the offer.
Thanks for the confidence Bruce- I'll talk to Juli about the synthetic pearl and see if it is something she would like- I think I would- and I never thought about a pearl sheath either, it sure would look nice if I don't mess it up too much!
I'll be able to get downstairs by the end of the month (hopefully) and start on her design, a cake cutter with a long Wharncliffe and red handle, and maybe a short sword for me to wear. Can't wait till I can get started, I have been 4' above my knifemaking supplies all day long for the past 5 months almost and have not been able to do anything (Grrrrrrrrr).
 
They make synthetic pearl in red also,and a bunch of different colors...But the white pearl for the garter under a wedding dress would be perfect...

Make the sheath from sheet synthetic pearl with a leather welt glued inbetween the 2 pieces of pearl and put a few pins in it to secure it.Oh yea,line inside of the pearl with some black velvet that will almost go to the edges but not quit so you dont see it when the hseath is finished but it will be secured when pinned and glued.Then add a small boot clip style loop on the back so it will secure over the garter...

Bruce
 
Cuts Like A Kris - It is real easy to do the spiral flutes. Order a piece of the synthetic ivory or white pearl from K&G or another supplier.It works very easily by hand, and is a dream to polish. It looks so good when done that it is amazing. Drill out the tang hole with a 1/4" drill (to establish a true center), and fit it to your tang first. If you have a lathe,turn the block to a tapered cylinder about 10% fatter than desired. If no lathe, just sand/grind/file it to the cylinder shape. Now, take a pencil and mark four lines from the top to bottom down the sides at 90 degree separation.We will call these A,B,C,and D. Now mark a circle around the cylinder at the center . Wrap a piece of tape around the cylinder,starting at A going down and around to intersect B at the center circle and continuing to C at the bottom. Repeat for the other three spiral lines. Now you have a tapered cylinder with four flutes drawn.Give it a light spray with Varathane or lacquer to keep the lines from rubbing off. Using a 1/4-3/8" round file, start at the top and start making a groove on the lines. Just take a little at a time on each line until you have four shallow "U" grooves. Now take a tapered half-round file and start widening and deepening the grooves. It goes fast, but do each one a bit and then the next,etc. Don't take too much from any one at a time. When the flutes finally are the depth you like, and meet at a ridge crest that spirals down the handle, start sanding with abrasive paper rolled into a small tube. Put a rubber band on each end, and just use it like a round file. Go to 800 grit and make everything blemish free. Now take a flat file and carefully flatten each ridge crest so it is about 3mm wide. Using a triangular needle file, cut a channel down this flat. Use a "V" needle file to deepen the groove. Now you have the channel for the wire to go down. Finish making the guards and butt caps (if there are any) and have everything so it is right. Take the handle and drill small holes (just big enough for the wire to stick in), about 6-10mm deep, on the ends (NOT on the side where the flute is),just in about 4mm from the wire groove. Angle these holes slightly toward the center.Use the needle file to add a notch to connect the holes with the wire channel (If there is just a round end ,and no butt cap, make these holes straight in from the side at the end of the wire channel at the butt). Starting at the butt end, Stick the wire end in the hole, bend at 90 degrees to bring out to the edge, bend into the channel, pulling on the wire a bit - spiral down the flute to the bottom, bend in, clip off leaving about 6mm, bent this tip and stick it in the hole. Add a drop of super glue to lock in the wire. Repeat for other flutes. BTW,Tap the wire in the grooves as you go, to seat it snug.

Polish with white rouge, or no scratch pink polish.
With silver wire, you just smooth and polish the wire while polishing the handle. With red lacquered wire you will have to do the polishing all prior to the wire being installed.Here are some alternatives to using red lacquered wire:
Use gold wire.
Fill the wire groove with red epoxy and sand to a smooth red line.
Use copper wire.
Use a red/white acrylic material to make the handle in, and use twisted silver wire - this is a classic look.
Use red acrylic end blocks (bolster and cap) and a white center block to make the handle.

Hope this helps - Stacy
 
Wow- helps greatly! Thank you Stacy. I think that I will try to do it myself and still try to get a backup already fluted piece. I want this to be both by me and very nice so a backup is necessary. I am looking forward to starting (now if the legs will just heal already).
 
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