Folder design flaws...still

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dano

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Not a huge fan of a public shame type post, but, with the design issues with the 4Max, and SR1, I ran into the exact same issues with a new Bush Ranger folder: Loctite on screws, and screw anchors that are not anchored. I tried adjusting the pocket clip, but, the clip screws were sealed with Loctite, and the actual screw anchors are completely round, and not anchored in any way (the Bush Ranger is linerless), so the screws just spin, and are unable to be unscrewed. Another screw can be placed in the opposite hole, but the same issue remains.

I would like to think that Cold Steel learned from the 4Max and SR1 assembly and design issues; I guess they didn't.
 
If there's a torx head on both sides then why can't it be unscrewed with two drivers?
 
Non clip side is drilled/tapped, but no extra screws. But, since the clip side screws are Loctite-ed, it wouldn't matter.
 
dano said:
clip screws were sealed with Loctite, and the actual screw anchors are completely round, and not anchored in any way (the Bush Ranger is linerless), so the screws just spin, and are unable to be unscrewed.
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hahaha
Cold Steel
We love 'em and hate 'em all in the same breath.
Congratulations Cold Steel . . . you've invented the equivalent of the modern rivet.

When are you going to make a real sheath ? ? ? ? ! ! ! ! ? ? ? ?
The SecureEx , as everyone is painfully aware, dulls the edges in a day of carrying whether the knife is used or not.
Speaking of rivets I removed the tubular rivets on one side of these and slipped in a layer of rubber on the Spike knife and leather on the Secret Edge.
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The mod was only moderately effective because the edge can still slide along the glass fiber infested sheath material when slipping the knife in and that still takes a toll.
The little piece of leather was placed where the edge was showing dulling from carrying. I thought I might get away with that so I could keep the tight upper portion to grip the knife firmly by the sheath but no . . . the upper part of the leather less area dulls the edge while using it repeatedly during the work day.
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Hey Cold Steel : The Mora sheath material DOES NOT dull my Cold Steel Paring knife shown below.
The chef's knife edge protector DOES NOT dull the kitchen knife shown.
Hint, hint . . . you might want to add a liner to your "indestructible" SecureEx sheaths out of one of those materials.
It matters zero to me if your SecureEx sheath is bullet proof if I NEVER carry one because it dulls my knives.
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PS : if my sheath mods had been successful I would have put hollow rivets back in the holes that have the ugly bolts.
As it is I have two paper weights and knife drawer fillers. :(
PPS : THANK YOU MORA for your realistically useful sheaths ! ! ! !

COLD STEEL :
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your a . . . . . . .
 
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The only thing I could suggest would be to take the knife apart, pull the back spacer off the clip screw posts, grab on to the posts with padded vice grips or pliers, and then unscrew the screws. Once you've done this, clean the back spacer and posts so there's no oil on them, super glue the posts into the back spacer (and the two body screw posts, if they're the same way), then reassemble. This way all your posts will be fixed to the back spacer and will no longer turn when trying to loosen the screws. Yeah, it sucks to have to do something like this, but it should fix the issue. I'm surprised they didn't just thread the back spacer for the screws (assuming it's metal).
 
Its not a bug. Its a feature that activates automatically when you buy a new knife and do not post a review of it :D

Just kidding. But sorry to hear this.
 
Don't tell me this ! I have a bush ranger on the way, was thinking of rit dying it blue, but if its gonna strip out and not go back together its going to stay the same color.unless I leave the pocket clip on there . why didn't they just use the hardware from the recon 1 knives ?Theres knives in fish bowls in gas stations for 3.99 that come apart and go back together better than these.It might be possible to loosen the Loctite with a soldering iron on the screw head first,heat it good and the Loctite melts. I did that once with a knife. then get the screws out. you might need to reheat it to get em back in or the Loctite will harden making it worse...
 
Wowbagger said:
hahaha
Cold Steel
We love 'em and hate 'em all in the same breath.
Congratulations Cold Steel . . . you've invented the equivalent of the modern rivet.

When are you going to make a real sheath ? ? ? ? ! ! ! ! ? ? ? ?
The SecureEx , as everyone is painfully aware, dulls the edges in a day of carrying whether the knife is used or not.
Speaking of rivets I removed the tubular rivets on one side of these and slipped in a layer of rubber on the Spike knife and leather on the Secret Edge.
View attachment 933588
The mod was only moderately effective because the edge can still slide along the glass fiber infested sheath material when slipping the knife in and that still takes a toll.
The little piece of leather was placed where the edge was showing dulling from carrying. I thought I might get away with that so I could keep the tight upper portion to grip the knife firmly by the sheath but no . . . the upper part of the leather less area dulls the edge while using it repeatedly during the work day.
View attachment 933589

Hey Cold Steel : The Mora sheath material DOES NOT dull my Cold Steel Paring knife shown below.
The chef's knife edge protector DOES NOT dull the kitchen knife shown.
Hint, hint . . . you might want to add a liner to your "indestructible" SecureEx sheaths out of one of those materials.
It matters zero to me if your SecureEx sheath is bullet proof if I NEVER carry one because it dulls my knives.
View attachment 933590
View attachment 933591
PS : if my sheath mods had been successful I would have put hollow rivets back in the holes that have the ugly bolts.
As it is I have two paper weights and knife drawer fillers. :(
PPS : THANK YOU MORA for your realistically useful sheaths ! ! ! !

COLD STEEL :
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your a . . . . . . .
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Spyderco’s Liteweight Street Beat sheath does the exact same thing. Way to go building a sheath that will dull the knife if you take the knife out and put it back 3 or 4 times. Genius putting fibreglass in the sheath material.

That along with the 26 degree per side edge that the knife came with: I thought Spyderco was supposeed to design their knives from the edge out.
 
Wowbagger said:
hahaha
Cold Steel
We love 'em and hate 'em all in the same breath.
Congratulations Cold Steel . . . you've invented the equivalent of the modern rivet.

When are you going to make a real sheath ? ? ? ? ! ! ! ! ? ? ? ?
The SecureEx , as everyone is painfully aware, dulls the edges in a day of carrying whether the knife is used or not.
Speaking of rivets I removed the tubular rivets on one side of these and slipped in a layer of rubber on the Spike knife and leather on the Secret Edge.
View attachment 933588
The mod was only moderately effective because the edge can still slide along the glass fiber infested sheath material when slipping the knife in and that still takes a toll.
The little piece of leather was placed where the edge was showing dulling from carrying. I thought I might get away with that so I could keep the tight upper portion to grip the knife firmly by the sheath but no . . . the upper part of the leather less area dulls the edge while using it repeatedly during the work day.
View attachment 933589

Hey Cold Steel : The Mora sheath material DOES NOT dull my Cold Steel Paring knife shown below.
The chef's knife edge protector DOES NOT dull the kitchen knife shown.
Hint, hint . . . you might want to add a liner to your "indestructible" SecureEx sheaths out of one of those materials.
It matters zero to me if your SecureEx sheath is bullet proof if I NEVER carry one because it dulls my knives.
View attachment 933590
View attachment 933591
PS : if my sheath mods had been successful I would have put hollow rivets back in the holes that have the ugly bolts.
As it is I have two paper weights and knife drawer fillers. :(
PPS : THANK YOU MORA for your realistically useful sheaths ! ! ! !

COLD STEEL :
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your duff and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your butt and learn to make a sheath.
Get off your a . . . . . . .
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Sexure ex dulls like crazy and they won’t acknowledge that it does, I love cold steels products I really do but they need to stop pretending they don’t know about secure ex dulling blades and fix this issue ASAP! Rant over.
 
Lapedog said:
Spyderco’s Liteweight Street Beat sheath does the exact same thing. Way to go building a sheath that will dull the knife if you take the knife out and put it back 3 or 4 times. Genius putting fibreglass in the sheath material.

That along with the 26 degree per side edge that the knife came with: I thought Spyderco was supposeed to design their knives from the edge out.
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My street Bowie sheath does the same thing it dulls it very fast.
 
Makes me glad I stick with folders.
Even if some of them are very heavy and strong.
 
I'm not saying there is no problem with many of the factory sheaths used by many manufacturers, but consider this: any deviation from the long axis of the sheath, on removal or entry, is going to rub against the inside of the sheath. Just throwing that out there. For most knife makers and manufacturers, the main focus is on the knife, and the sheath will be a compromise of utility and cost. Very many of the bigger manufacturers use the same company(s) for mass producing sheaths. Everybody has their own idea of what they want from a sheath, and there is no "one size fits all" as far as design and usage goes. To get what you want you may have to go to a custom sheath maker, or better yet, learn to make them yourself. That way you will get exactly what you want, how you want it, or at the very least, have a better appreciation of just what it takes to make one.
 
Mike Sastre said:
I'm not saying there is no problem with many of the factory sheaths used by many manufacturers, but consider this: any deviation from the long axis of the sheath, on removal or entry, is going to rub against the inside of the sheath. Just throwing that out there. For most knife makers and manufacturers, the main focus is on the knife, and the sheath will be a compromise of utility and cost. Very many of the bigger manufacturers use the same company(s) for mass producing sheaths. Everybody has their own idea of what they want from a sheath, and there is no "one size fits all" as far as design and usage goes. To get what you want you may have to go to a custom sheath maker, or better yet, learn to make them yourself. That way you will get exactly what you want, how you want it, or at the very least, have a better appreciation of just what it takes to make one.
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True every sheath that rubs the edge will dull it.

False, it is acceptable to use a material that is known to dull the edge way faster than other widely used materials.
 
I prefer leather sheaths and have changed all of mine to leather(I have many vintage that came with leather though). So CS is the only one with this problem(I don't go on other knife sites), what material(other than leather and cordura)do other manufacturers use?
 
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You just have to be careful how you insert and remove the blade from the sheath. Take your time and don't pretend your pulling it out to save your life, or worse yet, just to feel cool. If not, your gonna need to fork out extra money for a custom Kydex sheath, which will probably cost more than your knife and sheath combined if you buy budget knives. :eek:
 
I tried one CS fixed blade knife with their fiberglass sheath. On day one I discovered the dulling issue. It made the knife I bought unusable, a waste of money. I prefer fixed blades and have bought quite a few of them since trying that one CS. So, they've lost a lot of my business.

I have also bought custom leather & kydex sheaths for various knives. This often optimizes the knife/sheath package. But money, time & energy are valuable resources. I will not waste them on a new knife that cannot cut on Day 1 because of the sheath provided by the manufacturer. I can buy a Mora with a functional sheath that will out cut most knives for little money.

I do buy and use CS folders with the Demko lock.
 
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