Folder Features: Necessity and Excess

[hardheart]

^true, I was focusing on one thing without attending to the other. A guy has a knife, and he wants to dig a hole.

1. His knife was designed to dig holes. He uses it to dig the hole. In this, digging a hole is certainly not hard use.

2. His knife was not designed to dig holes, it was designed to whittle wood. He makes a digging stick to dig the hole. Again, this is not hard use.

3. His knife was designed to dig/pry. He uses it to whittle wood. Hard use (for the tool)? I doubt it, but maybe it was harder on him than it could have been. I would call it misuse. Not that it threatened damage to the tool or could not ultimately accomplish the task, but it was the wrong tool chosen.

4. His knife was not designed to dig holes, it was designed to whittle wood. He digs the hole. Hard use? I don't think so, more like misuse. Though this is probably more a matter of semantics.

Either the makers are creative in the design of the tools, or the users are creative in the application of the tool to do a job. Someone needs to be creative somewhere.

 

[Chocula]

I skimmed most of these posts and as usual people start tripping over semantics.

If you want to have an intelligent conversation, set up some framework and define key words like necessary in their own terms rather than making cyclic definitions (excess means not necessary, necessary means not excess) or simply putting quotes around them to mark them as special words.

But if you construct your framework and definitions carefully, you will realize there is nothing to talk about. When you argue or ask for other peoples opinions, you are just hearing a description from a different perspective of the same thing. Stand together at the same point (ie with the same definitions and language) and you will find perfect agreement, assuming no one dismisses reason.

So in conclusion, internet forums are a giant waste of time with the exception of the B/S/T sections.

Now go spend time with your families and friends.

 

[Kaizen1]

I skimmed most of these posts and as usual people start tripping over semantics.

If you want to have an intelligent conversation, set up some framework and define key words like necessary in their own terms rather than making cyclic definitions (excess means not necessary, necessary means not excess) or simply putting quotes around them to mark them as special words.

How is the use of excess circular? "Not necessary" is the actual dictionary definition of the word. That was simply emphasized because so many people appeared to me to have lost track of that fact with their snooty behavior toward people that liked different kinds of knives.

Stand together at the same point (ie with the same definitions and language) and you will find perfect agreement, assuming no one dismisses reason.

This was one of the points of the thread. There were multiple threads of people arguing over the same things.