Folders, ease of use, and which is the best slicer?

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I have a couple of questions that have probably been covered before about the ER folders. First of all, which is the best slicer? I really like the looks of the nemesis, but it looks to me more like a folding bayonet.
Also, how quickly can the folders be opened? How stiff is the knife? and what about engaging the lock, how is it done, and how quickly can it be unlocked.
I'd like to hear from users as well as our most excellent moderators, thanks, all.
 
The Nemesis would be the best slicer (Apples etc) of the bunch but that is not what the ER folders are designed for.
These folders (with practice) can be opened as fast as any other folder. They are stiff from the factory but after a little use and blade adjustment they are incredibly smooth.
The Cross Bolt Safety is completely passive. This is only engaged when the user would want to lock the blade...such as to perform a certain task and would not be done in a emergency situation.
The lock is engaged just like a safety on a shotgun...simply push the lock bolt either way to lock/unlock.
 
I own a fulcrum II D which I a very pleased with. However you must understand that this is not your typical edc. The knives are robust to say the least. They are built for hard use. The blades are 1/4" thick and the lock up is superb ( classic lock blade design). Fit and finish are also top quality. Sometimes I think it could replace my Randall # 14!!
 
Definitely a "hard use" knife. It's like a fixed blade in my pocket! I can open it as quickly as any of my axis locks- as long as the safety is not engaged. One of my friends, as a joke, went to grab it from my pocket- I let him just to see the look on his face when he couldn't open it 'cause of the safety- and then had my 710 out while the smile left his face...:D The MPC is amazingly solid. It easily replaces a similar sized fixed blade in any 'kit' IMO:)
 
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EasEWryder:

I just received my MPC and the initial impression is that of yours, solid, tough, easily the best hard use knife in my home, and I have some pretty tough knives here.

However, I put the knife in my pocket, crossbolt lock not locked, upon retrieving it from the pocket, it had locked itself and I did not like that one bit at all for a few reasons.

If it is to be carried as an EDC defenisive knife, which it will excel at like no other I have, and the lock has been engaged by grabbing the knife during retieval, or engaged in the pocket, I would then be facing an opponent who would be all over me while I attempted to release the lock and get it into use.

I'd like both of you to relate your experiences with this situation I had t deal with the first time I attempted to "pop" it from the pocket. Either of you had that happen? If so, what are the solutions?

The crossbolt lock is passive, it does not "click" engaged or disengaged, but is smooth in it's operation which lends it self to my dilemma.

It is a big knife, it was not realy sharp out of the box and I put the spyder kit to it, rough first then the fines. It did take a very nice edge real quick though and it now is acceptable.

Did either of you or anyone have these experiences? I'm not sure I like the idea of the crossbolt being THAT passive which allows it to engage the lock when I do not intentionally want it to.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated relative experiences with yours where the above is concerned.

I had planned to carry this knife as my primary EDC, it's heavy duty to the extreme, yet now I am back to my SnG for the time being until this can be corrected or I may just have to carry it in a belt sheath on the waist, which I wasn;t planning on doing when I purchased it.

Brownie
 
If you do not want to use the Cross Bolt Safety or want to remove it...no problem. With the included small tool just undo the hex head screw and remove the safety...it in no way effects the knife operation.
 
Hi Frank,

serial number 0287, no hc58 or any markings on the left side of blade, right side as Extreme Ratio/made in Italy.

The knife had the best packed carton I have ever seen, the inner foam pads cut to cradle the knife almost seemed funny as the MPC is such a [ as one of your distributors mentioned ] tank of a knife.

After studying and playing with the ergonomics, manual dexterity drills, opening and closings [ which was, from the box, one of if not the smoothest action I have felt on a custom or otherwise ], on and off the pants pocket, I have to say it is as close as I have seen to bullet proof.

I'm impressed with how thick the tip is, which will directly relate to it's strength. Even though I did not think it was sharp enough for me, and to be honest, thought it was fairly dull from the box, within 6 strokes on the course and several finishers on the fines of the crock sticks, it had an edge I can live with knowing how thick that blade is right up to it.

This knife was not meant to be a razor blade thin edge due to it's mission statement. It would be the weak point, if it was, to my thinking. It's plenty sharp now and took the edge quickly with little effort. I was anxious to know about how easy it would be to sharpen it, now I know, and I like what I saw tonight in that regard.

Their was no tool in the box, after you posted above I pulled everything out of the box to make sure it was not packed into the bottom foam between the carton but no tool.

Questions:

Can I get the tool that comes with it?

Is this a special knife as it has no markings on the left side of the blade?

I will take the crosslock off the knife and carry it with complete confidence the backlock is all thats necessary. I was not planning on using the lock feature as it is unnecessary for the missions I will give it.

The backlock is very positive and takes a concerted effort to release it. I like that, and thats how I was told it was before seeing it.

You have a great knife and can certainly be proud that you are invoved with this venture. This damned knife, the more I look at it and heft it, look at the blades edge and tip, keep it in my hand, the more I find that I like about it.

It's heavy, it has to be to be what it is. It does not have a rough unradiused edge on it. I like both guards when opened and can live with how the top guard relates to the knifes shape when the blade is closed.

It's big, but put beside the Millitary model, it is only slightly longer, about the same width and twice as thick. Much heavier.

There's more to report, some of this will make it into the review and testing I wil give it later on.

Thanks

brownie
 
Just email me your address and I will send the tools right away...I am glad you like it!!
I think Italy is changing some of the blade markings.
 
Hey Brownie, welcome to the MPC club! Mine wasn't as sharp as I would like it to be, but IS SHARP nonetheless. I currently have no means to sharpen my knives, knowledge and hardware-wise :mad: :( I always keep mine locked in the pocket, but I think I'm gonna try it without the lock. The lock was also one of the selling points for me, and I am really happy with it, but I unlock it when I take it out outta habit now. I too was blown away by the box:eek: :D It made me feel like I bought jewels or somethin'. I want a Nemesis now. Maybe a fixed blade. Maybe both....:D
 
EasEWryder:

Quite the club;) , I mean knife.:D

I want the quick deployment rock solid and will take the lock off, it's plenty strong without it, and is just an added feature that makes this knife just that more bullet proof.

If I am to take it as a potential survival folder I'll put the lock back.

This knife "pops" open very smoothly new and I trust the backlock not to fail under any normal heavy use I may give it.

Stay sharp

Brownie
 
Unless you find one second-hand, it's actually easier to deal with Ben Dale. Though the other online sites sell the base unit for a cheaper price, the rest of the stuff usually ends up costing more. The only possible exception to that would be www.tadgear.com , but I bought the EdgePro Apex, upgrade kit, and video for about $175-180 shipped right from the maker.
 
What an information-packed and useful review by brownie0486.
Thanks.
It makes me want the Nemesis even more.
I'll have to wait awhile.
Hope they don't run out of 'em. :)
 
Hi Ken,

I'm confident you'll like the ruggedness of the ER's. No harsh edges anywhere and a real tank and workhorse.

I just ordered the col moschin double edge limited run of under 150 into the US as well. That should be arriving early this next week.

Stay safe.

Brownie
 
Ken,

I'm torn between the Nemesis and the Fulcrum II D. If I do choose the Nemesis, I hope I don't buy the last one.
 
I'd be more inclined to think that you are getting one of the first, not last.:D

I think it's only the beginning for this company if big brutishly strong folders get moving in the market [ there are companies out there specifically created for this market knowing the civilians will follow suit for bulletproofs and be another source of revenue, a big source ].

I've seen in the last two years, a public demand and subsequent increase in, companies producing stronger folders that are designed toward real world hard use mil types around the world.

It only stands to reason that as technology leaps forward at the pace it is, that we are going to see products designed for the mil types hit the commercial market.

Soldiers into knives like some here want the best folders and straights that can be made for them. They've had customs made for years and paid for the better materials.

Folders have entered the mil market, the soldiers demand to have the strongest since they have seen what can be produced and companies have been started and are flourishing with their hard use products.

ER is young at the game. They have entered the market with a big, strong, well designed and thought out line of knives in folder and straights.

All things being equal, and looking at only a ruggedness testing between ER's and other products, I can't see from working with mine how it could be any less than what I've seen, own now, or owned in the past.

If told tonight I could take one folder, one straight, and supplies and had to leave indefinately, it would be the MPC in folder choice. Not from what I have but from what I've seen out there.

There are fewer and fewer companies whose product I'm willing to carry these days. I'm getting real fussy I guess. I'll always have the collectors, of course, and knives I have carried and no longer trust to potential hard use without damage or breaking when I need it.

In todays world, we know we can be thrown into turmoil and crisis at every turn, at any second. If we are one of these unfortunates who has to deal with a life and death emergency, right now or die we had better have given ourselves the best chance we can in many ways including what we are carrying on our person while not in our homes.

I am never without an E-2 surfire with fresh batteries on my waist [ batteries by the case, they are cheap insurance. Ask the people caught in NY during the last balckout what they really wanted in the dark ], two folding knives [ the SnG until I get the SMF and the MPC ], and an SAK hiker in the pocket that has a saw and two blades as well.

I think I could use the MPC as a teton if I found I had to pull myself up into something or out of something. Theres a lot to be said about the strength of this folder in a lot of ways.

Many things determine whether a company will be the next "gotta have rugged folder" based on public opinions and some modicum of validity to those opions.

Time will tell with ER. In the meantime I have what I think is the best available to me in the market to meet the most rugged of circumstances and that gives me the best chance at surviving any encounter. Until I find a folder that is more stout, the two I carry will remain EDC's.

Stay safe out there.

Brownie
 
Thanks, Brownie0486!

For some reason, the MPC didn't initially appeal to me whereas both the Fulcrum II D and the Nemesis do. What would Jared do? I'll probably end up owning the MPC, selling off any other knife that wasn't a gift from my wife, and start sponsoring walkathons and telethons to equip people with MPC's, but they're not my bag at this second.
 
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