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Folders that Fold

Discussion in 'Busse Combat Knives' started by Copis, Mar 18, 2000.

  1. Copis

    Copis

    891
    Jan 31, 2000
    There is no way that a folder can offer the reliablitiy of a fixed blade! Jerry you have given us great fixed blade designs from 2.5 to 9.5 inches with options in stock thickness! Dont get me wrong I carry a folder day in day out! I just dont think a folder can be "nuclear tough"!
    "I am nobody and know nothing but for me Busse means fixed"

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  2. Cliff Stamp

    Cliff Stamp Banned BANNED

    Oct 5, 1998
    I didn't think Busse Combat's INFI would behave as it did until I saw it do it myself. I think Jerry should be given the benefit of the doubt on the durability of the Busse Combat folder.

    As for hard use folders currently, Mission probably leads the flocks now with the MPF. I have not used it but know a number of people who have and do use it for heavy work including prying and it holds up fine.

    I would be really interesting to see the top folders with the new locks, Axis, Rolling, Integral and whatever Busse is using directly compared.

    -Cliff
     
  3. Mike Turber

    Mike Turber

    Oct 2, 1998
    I think your objection to Jerry making a folder is exactly why he is making one.

    Problem: There is no folder on the market that is a tough as a fixed blade.

    Solution: Jerry Busse takes folders to the next level of toughness.

    So we currently have the Mission MPF, The Speedtech Synergy, TiNives 2000 Series and of course Chris Reeve.

    The Mission and Cris Reeve share properties that make them tough. The Synergy and TinNive are similar and both are ROCK solid. So lets take all the above and make one KICK ASS folder!

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  4. Strabs

    Strabs

    Feb 11, 2000
    YEAH!...what Cliff and Mike said [​IMG]
     
  5. Copis

    Copis

    891
    Jan 31, 2000
    Still a folder is a folder!
    [​IMG]
     
  6. Cliff Stamp

    Cliff Stamp Banned BANNED

    Oct 5, 1998
    I forgot to mention P. J. Turner's Uluchet, which is a folding hatchet. It will lock in an extended position and will withstand a great deal of stress. It has no problems with chopping, prying or pretty much anything else.

    As for being as strong as a fixed blade, it was far more durable than several fixed blades I have looked at.

    -Cliff

    [This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 03-20-2000).]
     
  7. Copis

    Copis

    891
    Jan 31, 2000
    a folding hatchet is weaker than a solid hatchet right?
     
  8. Jerry Busse

    Jerry Busse Moderator Moderator

    Aug 20, 1999
    Copis,

    I agree with you. It cannot be argued that a knife with a pivot in the middle of it will be as strong as a fixed blade of similar size and materials. However, there are many situations and times when convenience rules out over "ultimate choice" (fixed blade) and a folder becomes the preferred type of knife. Our goal has been to make a folder that is incomparable in strength to any other folder on today's market. We have succeeded quite handily.

    Hopefully, we will be able to hurdle the many production obstacles which have presented themselves, enabling us to bring it to market at a very affordable price.

    Yours in fixed blades,
    Jerry Busse
     
  9. harrydog

    harrydog

    332
    Feb 29, 2000
    Hurry Jerry, hurry!!
     
  10. Copis

    Copis

    891
    Jan 31, 2000
    Jerry,
    thanks for the reply! Like I said I carry a folder everyday. I just cant wait to see your "final draft" design. I am sure that your excellent designs and flawless execution will come together in this folder project.
    I agree, a folder in your pocket beats the fixed blade left at home!
    Bill
     
  11. Cliff Stamp

    Cliff Stamp Banned BANNED

    Oct 5, 1998
    Copis :

    P.J. was working on a knife blade with the same lock awhile ago. I don't know if it went anywhere.

    As for the strength/durability issue, you need to be looking at the functional not absolute levels. Look at it this way, the current INFI models are weaker than if they were made with 1/2" stock. However are they functionally weak because of it?

    A folder can have a functional lock as long as the blade gives out before the lock. You would need a very impressive lock to make a folder with a 10" blade as functional as the Battle Mistress, however I don't think it is impossible to make a folder with a 4" 3/16" blade as functional as a 4" 3/16" fixed blade knife.

    There are already locks out there that are perfectly solid for 1/8" blades and the blades give way and the locks hold up fine. Then again they are mostly using relatively brittle or weak steels. I would be curious to know if the same would hold if they used a decent tool steel like A2. Mission's MPF in A2 would be a good benchmark.

    -Cliff
     

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