Folders used for survival.

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I think most would agree that the first choice for survival is going to be a fixed blade knife, size and shape will differ from expeiences. But we cannot always dictate how and when we will get into a survival situation. Given this fact we may one day have to rely upon a folder for our survival. THe SAK is a general favorite by many along with the UPTs. Excluding those, what type of folder/maker do you rely upon?

Types I like:

Bolt Action lock - Designed by Blackie Collins, available now from MYerco. Mine is a drop point with pocket clip. Sturdy lock. Can be manipulated with either hand.

Back action lock - I know these have failed for some, but in over 30 years of using them I have never had one fail. Cold Steel and Spyderco make some of the best of these I have used. I have several spydercos, my current favorite is the Jess Horn. The partial serrations are great for cutting tough materials. The fully serated delicas I have are workhorses that can cut dang near anything.

Twist Lock - Opinel and Cold Steel are the two that come to mind. Opinel are probably the cheapest, best made, reliable, simple knives you can own. I have forgotten half the places I have one of these stuffed for emergencies, I guess that comes from getting old.

I have not yet owned the Rolling lock by Round Eye, nor the new lock from Benchmade but they look interesting.

Types I dislike:

Walker/Liner Lock - Yes, I hear all the howls of indignation. Yes, I know they are the hottest thing since sliced bread, revered by millions. But I DO NOT trust them, period. I have owned more than a couple, and had some of the best made close upon my hand, the ONLY lock type to ever have done that. Benchmade AFACK was oe model and one was a custom blade from a rather famous maker, known for hs solid locks. Now here I will state that I am left-handed, and the knives used were made for right-handers. AH-HA you say, but I say, I want a knife I can use with BOTH hands. When gripped in the saber grip with the left hand the pads between your knuckles can , and do, press on the liner in an unlock fashion. This has happened to me and a couple of friends, one nasty cut resulting. If this was not an issue, the current trend of making a lock, with a lock, would not be happening, there is a reason the second lock was put on knives like the Gerber Covert. Just my opinion.

What do you like? And why?
 
Three of mine that come to mind immediately are the old Gerber Parabellum (w/bolt action lock), the Spyderco Military, and the venerable Buck 110. I know I have others I could reply upon but, if forced to pick just one sturdy folder from my collection, it would likely be one of these.

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My constant folding companion when waddling through the bush is an old trapper style old timer. I love the carbon steel and the shape of the relatively long and narrow blades. It is effective for cleaning fish and small game as well as fuzzing up sticks for fire starting. Not new or trendy but well proven over the last twenty years.
 
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I like my Leatherman Wave -- it's held up well in the woods. My Sak comes along, too as an alternative. Nothing original here, I know, but they work.

Regarding thefixed blade theory -- if I had only one choice to bring, it wouldn't be a fixed blade -- it would be the Wave or SAK. More tools on them for a greater variety of needs.
 
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Though I don't own one, yet, the Chris Reeve Sabenza has a nearly bomb proof lock. I've never heard of one failing. FWIW, the BM pinnacle has the same type of lock as the Sabenza.

Also, MichLee, don't worry, you're not going to find alot of liner lock supporters around here. After Joe Talmadge challenged us to test our liner locks most of us came to the realization that these aren't what the hype would have us believe.

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Brian,

I fully understand your liking of your Leatherman. One of my constant carry companions is my gerber multipliers. That is why I excluded UPTs (Universal Pocket Tools) out of the equation. I was simply seeing what the good people here, who definitly take their gear selection seriously, carry in the line of folding knives.
 
Personally I like liner locks with one of my favorites being the Spyderco Military.

Let me explain...

For years most of the old farmers, cowboys, ranchers, and many other 'outdoors' folks have carried folders such as a Case or Old Timer. Even this thread has mentioned SAKs which have no locks at all.

These type blades have been used to do all types of chores....now a liner lock system comes out and people start saying they wouldn't have them because the locks will fail and the blade will close on your hand.

My point is this: If you would trust a SAK for a 'survival folder,' then why wouldn't you trust a liner lock of some type? BOTH of them have the potential for closing on your hand. - Jeff


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So, that's what UPT means? <g>

I guess then, that I'll have to bring other folders out with me...

Jeff,

Agreed on your eval of locks v. SAK, and what is the dilemma... I find that most people are worried about the locks on folders in self-defense applications (i. e. stabbing).

~B.
 
For the role of my daily utility/food knife, I also choose a fixed blade -- in my case, a small one with the emphasis on wicked edge geometry for high performance.

But I do sometimes take along a folder instead, or in addition. For these, the lock types I like are:

Lockback: Done right, they're still excellent locks. Cold Steel and Spyderco do 'em right. But Spyderco also gets the other details of ergonomics, action, etc. also right.

Liner Locks: Don't trust 'em, don't buy 'em, period.

Integral locks: Trust 'em, love 'em. Very strong and reliable.

Axis lock: This new lock from Benchmade continues to really, really impress me. Incredibly strong, and so far astoundingly reliable. If I had to replace my TTKK with a folder, it would be the Benchmade Axis 710, for sure.

Joe
 
For the sake of conversation, I carry a Military and a SAK (no lock) every day. Just a difference in opinion I guess.

I like the Military because it gives me a fairly large knife in a quick compact design carried in your pocket. I use to carry a BenchMade mini-AFCK, but since using the Military, the BM has been retired.

I've put the Military through some heavy duty work and it's yet to fold up and cut me....of course I've never had to use it in a self-defense or fighting situation.

Don't get me wrong, my pick of a knife type is fixed blade, but folders make for easier carry in my daily circumstances. - Jeff

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Folders for survival...ugh. Ok, I' d have to go with my M2 steel plain edge BM AFCK. Here' s why:

I carry and use it plenty. So familiarity is there when conditions may be less than ideal.

The materials: G 10 scales, Ti liners an a coated M2 blade makes for good corrosion resistance.

Larger is better in this case. The AFCK is a good size without being too big for delicate work.

Providing the user does his/ her part and with limitations it is suitable to protect against 4 and 2 legged predators.

Sometimes overlooked is the importance of a high carbon tool steel. Easily field sharpened and will hold a good edge. And more important it is capable of starting sparks for a fire.

L8r,
Nakano

 
My most usual everyday carry knife is the Myerco Bolt Action, or the Spyderco Jess Horm model. I also carry a SAK Tinker and the Gerber Multipliers. The reason for this is I work in an office environment where a fixed blade knife just would be out of place, as well as probably get me fired. I often carry a Woo neck knife and always have my Neely in my leather jacket. I too prefer fixed blades when I can.

But I do have one favorite folder for hunting even sometimes, it is a Camillus two blade trapper model with dual back locks they produced a few years ago, it is a big heavy knife that is great. It has a large spey and clip point blades that work great.

The liner locks I bought are stored away where they wont bite anyone again. lol.
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For folders I like three that I own.
1) SAK-Officers model-I haven't seen this one in a Victorinox catalog as my aunt from Germany gave it to me. Maybe it was only a European mode?!?!? No lock!
2) Uncle Henry/Shrade lock back, single blade. It's short but does a good job from fine work to gutting deer. It takes an excellent edge.
3) Buck-LINER lock. I know what a lot of you are saying about the liner locks, but I have a LOT of non locking knives and simply don't TRUST a lock in the beginning. This also makes it easy for me in case I forget I'm using a nonlocking blade.


I have several less expensive folding knives that do a good job of cutting when asked. I feel the smaller knives do as they were designed for: cutting! I don't ask more than that out of them and don't get disappointed with $5 pocket knives!
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Best folder I've EVER had is my Kit Carson Lg. Model 4. It is as solid as you would ever want, and yes it is a liner lock. I've been trying to sell it, 'cause I need the money this month, but I don't really want to sell it.

I like it even more than my large Sebenza that I sold. I'm sure there's plenty of lousy liner locks out there, but I'd put this one up against any other folder, any day of the week. It is as tough as can be, and rock solid. I would want it and no other, if I didn't have my SAK Rucksack with me (which does lock).

I also like my old discontinued small Gerber drop point, with a bolt action lock that I have used for 14 years, and it has never failed me.
 
Hey Jeff R..

""the BM has been retired.""

Funny you should say that Jeff..I just opened a home for Aging and Retired Knives!
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If that old gent needs a new home,,send it over my way.. I'll take care of it daily. Take it for walks,good oiling and rubdown once and awhile.. It'll even make some new friends here!

ttyle Eric...

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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
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As far as locks go my thoughts parallel Joe's and...

Integral Locks- Never leave home without one, the purchase of my Sebenza was the single smartest purchase I have made to date.

Balisongs- If you are holding on to the handles you are very safe, now if I could just find a thin bladed one.

Wood Swing Lock- Solid and cool if not fast. Giving them a call tomorrow.

Lockbacks- Excellent, my Navigator is a dream for a knife it's size.

Liner Locks- OK when done well, but I don't feel 100% about them, and that is the problem.

Axis Lock- Please let their be a Elishewitz Ares production piece.

Fixed blades are excellent.

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Always carried a Buck 110 on my pants belt. Never had a problem with this knife and it's been all over PACAF with me and was abused out the ying yang. Now the Buck knife has been retired and I'm carrying a Spyderco Endura until we can afford a Military.

 
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