Folding kwaikens

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I received a couple of 'folding kwaiken' designs within a short space of time recently, so I thought I would offer some impressions.

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Hoback Kwaiback
I was lucky enough to get on Jake's books for a custom A15 before his knives became wildly popular - in fact that custom A15 in 4V steel had a shorter wait than this midtech (or what he calls UHEP - ultra high-end production), and was cheaper than the UHEP Kwaibacks retail for. I was never very excited by his Kwaiback design or understood why it was so popular - it seems too angular and agricultural to me - but I knew he made a very solid knife, so I was interested to try it out when he opened the list on the latest run of the midtechs.

Long story short, as soon as I got it in hand, I understood why it was so popular. Despite looking angular and awkward, the ergonomics work very well. For me, the handle locks into my hand with my thumb falling naturally on the spine jimping, and is just the right length to leave a striking point protruding from the back of my hand. The solidity of the construction and smoothness of the action go without saying, but I really like the fact that the interior of the handles is milled so that the balance is also right on the first finger. The only thing I would change if I could would be to make the blade about a 1/4 longer, so that it extends to the end of the handle when closed (although granted that would produce a challenge in terms of the placement of the stand-offs).

Begg / Reate Steelcraft Kwaiken
Similarly, I was already familiar with Reate's manufacturing quality before buying this, so I knew what I was getting. I'd never handled a Todd Begg knife, though, so was interested to try one of his designs, and this thing just looked cool.

The construction quality didn't disappoint, and I am content with the knife, but I haven't taken to it as strongly as the Kwaiback. Standing some way proud of the handle scale, and right at the top, the clip is not the most comfortable for my hand (not too bad either, but I notice it there). And for me the sweep of the blade doesn't flow into the lines of the handle as well as it could. It's difficult to appreciate from photos, but the lower line of the handle actually flares out a tiny amount towards the pivot, and there is a noticeable step between that and the line of the cutting edge. For both form and function, I would prefer if there were a slight first finger indent and the blade was a fraction wider towards the base. For me (and this is a very subjective opinion), the Begg Kwaiken sacrifices a little ergonomics to esthetics, but also gets that slightly wrong.

Boker / Burnley titanium-bolstered kwaiken

I was really hoping that this knife would be the one that proved that spending over $400 for a kwaiken designed by a renown maker was pointless, but in the end it reminded me that there is a noticeable, if modest difference in quality between a $150+ and a $400+ knife.

I like the Burnley kwaiken flipper design, but didn't like the weight and balance of the originals. When the version with CF handles came out, I got it and was impressed, although the balance point was still a little further back than I like. When I saw this new version with ti liners and a bolster as well, I thought this would be THE version. However, the first one I received had to go back to the retailer because one of the ti scales wasn't flush with the liner due to protruding screw heads, AND the locking liner contacted the flat of the blade and was causing a little scuffing. The replacement didn't have the problem with the scale or the scuffing, but the liner still contacts the blade lightly (it seems that the lock bar is too soft and bends slightly), and the overall finish just isn't quite on par with the Reate or Hoback finishing (unsurprisingly). Certainly, this is a great knife, and the most suitable of the 3 for EDC use, but it doesn't give you the same sense of manufacturing perfection as the much more expensive midtechs.
 
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Cool post. I do want to inquire about the use of the word "agricultural" for the Hoback Kwaiken. Do you feel that the knife is intended for farm use? I'm thrown off by this. Would you mind expounding upon that? Thanks.
 
what do you think about the "EDC-ability" of each of these. I know you point to the Boker as the most suitable, and that is where I think I would go based on looks, but what is your opinion on carrying and using these? The Boker appears to be much slimmer than the other two, which should make it lighter and more pocket friendly. I have not owned any of these, but the Boker always interested me due to the sleek lines.
 
Cool post. I do want to inquire about the use of the word "agricultural" for the Hoback Kwaiken. Do you feel that the knife is intended for farm use? I'm thrown off by this. Would you mind expounding upon that? Thanks.

Sorry - I was just using it in the figurative sense to mean "functional, but kind of clunky-looking" or "unrefined / earthy". At least we use "agricultural" in that sense in British English, perhaps not in American.
 
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what do you think about the "EDC-ability" of each of these. I know you point to the Boker as the most suitable, and that is where I think I would go based on looks, but what is your opinion on carrying and using these? The Boker appears to be much slimmer than the other two, which should make it lighter and more pocket friendly. I have not owned any of these, but the Boker always interested me due to the sleek lines.

The Boker is much slimmer and lighter than the other two - it's probably close to half the weight - and the thinner blade is suitable for EDC tasks around home or town, but not for hard use, like the Kwaiback is (the blade is 3/16" thick). Some people are willing (and legally able) to carry large knives for EDC, but I wouldn't normally carry a knife the size of the Kwaiback or Begg around town.
 
no

americans use it too, many do at least.

agricultural, it looks like a tractor part.


i see many very nice brittish use the "perhaps its not american" when discussing idiom/language.


a very reasonable assumption.

or just a polite way to answer someone?
 
Sorry - I was just using it in the figurative sense to mean "functional, but kind of clunky-looking" or "unrefined / earthy". At least we use "agricultural" in that sense in British English, perhaps not in American.

Totally makes sense. Thanks for the clarification and you just helped me expand my vocabulary. I've never heard it used that way but I like it.

Anyway, sweet knives.
 
what do you think about the "EDC-ability" of each of these. I know you point to the Boker as the most suitable, and that is where I think I would go based on looks, but what is your opinion on carrying and using these? The Boker appears to be much slimmer than the other two, which should make it lighter and more pocket friendly. I have not owned any of these, but the Boker always interested me due to the sleek lines.

FWIW, I've been carrying the Begg for a couple weeks and it all but disappears in jeans and chinos. It's very light for its size, the handle is decently slim at .54" but the contoured profile makes it feel smaller as that thickness is measured at the high point in the center of the slab.

I like the kwaiken style a lot but for jinto, not utility.

C'mon spider, you carry a Bluephin :p

The Boker is much slimmer and lighter than the other two - it's probably close to half the weight - and the thinner blade is suitable for EDC tasks around home or town, but not for hard use, like the Kwaiback is (the blade is 3/16" thick). Some people are willing (and legally able) to carry large knives for EDC, but I wouldn't normally carry a knife the size of the Kwaiback or Begg around town.

For accuracy's sake:

Boker - 3.6 oz
Begg - 5.0 oz
Hoback - 5.7 oz
 
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i see many very nice brittish use the "perhaps its not american" when discussing idiom/language.


a very reasonable assumption.

or just a polite way to answer someone?

I think we Brits enjoy being condescending whenever we get the chance, but because we are exposed to and use a lot of American idiom and slang, we often find it difficult to distinguish between what is mutually understood and what isn't. I think I have heard Americans use "agricultural" figuratively, but I wasn't sure.
 
Boker - 3.6 oz
Begg - 5.0 oz
Hoback - 6.7 oz

Thanks for that. I knew the Begg was lighter than the Kwaiback, but I hadn't realized how much lighter. The Kwaiback seems lighter than it is because it balances so well, and it's so chunky, you expect it to be heavier.
 
I would love to get an Hamachi from Pohan Leu. His model is my favorite folding kwkn.
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I like the kwaiken style a lot but for jinto, not utility.

For SD purposes, from these 3, my preference would be for the Kwaiback, because it feels more secure in hand. But the Begg Kwaiken would have slightly better reach (especially with the thumb placed behind the top guard), and it would also be formidable as a reverse-grip stabber.
 
The Kwaiback certainly has a different shape. More like a Kwaiken-Tanto. I've been interested in it.

I have Boker Kwaiken and Mini Kwaiken and for their price they're pretty good. The heavy steel liners add to the weight. The model in post #1 is lighter due to titanium liners but I've heard some people have had issues with sticky locks.

The Todd Begg Steelcraft Kwaiken is in another realm. Just a fantastic flipper that's very slim and light even when packing a near 4" blade. It's one of the smoothest flippers I have including Shirogorov. It really disappears in the pocket. I can even open it one-handed without the flipper by using the guard and my thumb. I would've preferred a no lanyard version since it sticks out.
 
I hope I never have to use my knife for SD.
Do you have a favorite fixed blade, Brummie?
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The Boker kwaiken is a bit sticky, but that's not something that bothers me as long as the interface doesn't wear down. I think a knife should open smoothly and quickly, but I'm not really concerned if it takes a tiny amount more effort to close it.

For me, the Kwaiback and the Steelcraft were roughly the same price, and if I could only have one, I'd definitely take the Kwaiback because its more comfortable in the hand and the 20cv blade is more versatile. The actions are different, but both impressive. I'd guess the Kwaiback is stronger, but I wouldn't expect either to fail. The Steelcraft does have a better blade:handle ratio, but it could still be improved somewhat.
 
For me, the Kwaiback and the Steelcraft were roughly the same price...

Well, at the same price the Kwaiback becomes very attractive because right now it's $675 at both BHQ & KC and Steelcraft Kwaiken $445 everywhere.
 
Well, at the same price the Kwaiback becomes very attractive because right now it's $675 at both BHQ & KC and Steelcraft Kwaiken $445 everywhere.

Those people who were already on Jake's list got the Kwaiback for $475. All the others have been at $675.
 
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