For the love of oil stones!

Am no expert and the following is mostly speculation, but a lot of what determines this comes down to the condition of the abrasive surface itself.

An AlOx stone in good condition will make a nicer rough edge than a loaded SiC stone. SiC has the advantage of, while being hard, it is also not durable. Under good conditions as it breaks down it is always presenting a sharp surface, and it breaks down with less pressure than most forms of AlOx. Of Diamond, SiC, or AlOX, AlOx is most likely to glaze somewhat, being more durable but not as hard - so while still tearing out metal it isn't doing so with the sharpest of tips. Diamond also does a good job but over time it too will 'glaze' and the tips won't be as sharp. If you let your SiC stone load or glaze it will underperform. Keep up on it and it will maintain the sharpest contact points.


Keeping in mind the individual abrasives depending on how they are arranged will either:

- cut with sharp projections - clean stock removal - low burr formation per unit
- plow with a projection that isn't sharp - stock dislocation, lower removal rate - higher burr formation per unit
- rub with a relatively smooth stretch of surface - stock dislocation, no removal - plastic deformation

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You can only manage so much of this, there is always going to be a variety of each in a given surface, and the rake angle of any given mechanism is going to change as well. As the minerals glaze (dull), the surface area increases - unit pressure goes down, depth of cut decreases, condition of the steel at the apex is more prone to drawing out/burr/wire edge. With a finer abrasive, this effect isn't as pronounced or might even be desirable (combined burnishing and abrading action of fine ceramic surfaces). At low grit levels this can leave you with a drawn out edge, low stock removal rate.

Combine that with the low abrasive density/ high unit pressure and many of the abrasive tracks will finish with a single pass trough being cut - there is no easy way to cleanly remove a burr from the opposite side esp if it is lower than the surrounding area - the quality of the abrasive cut on every pass becomes very important.

Also keeping in mind the main difference between a coarse abrasive field and a fine one is mostly the inherent spacing of the abrasives themselves and the effect this has on footprint (unit pressure) and relief areas for the removed stock to go. If you took 5 micron abrasives and mounted them to a 'bed of nails' in a 120 grit open pattern, it would cut far more like a 120 grit stone than a 1200 grit stone.

The rough abrasives will leave the edge irregularly cut both along the edge and across. Generally, a leading pass into the edge will tend to make more variation across the edge compared to a trailing pass. A trailing pass will tend to make more variation along the edge. On the down side it is very tough to manage burr formation on a trailing pass - the mineral has to have some mobility so when it bites it doesn't lodge into the steel and draw it out as it grinds - it will shift itself free if the resistance gets too high.

And then in some cases depending on HT and alloy content, a given steel may or may not take and/or hold a rough edge well, no matter how its created.


If the steel is soft enough, a file probably makes the best toothy edge, followed by SiC.

Very nice Martin, I really like the illustration.

Now that I have all the waterstones I could ever need I might just start up an oil stone collection:D

Picked up a little Ace hardware stone today, knife went dull at the job site so I needed something, so far so good. It's harder than my Norton and is a little easier to get rid of the burr. My fine Norton SiC stone is as muddy as a King stone and always seems to wash out the apex.
 
Very nice Martin, I really like the illustration.

Now that I have all the waterstones I could ever need I might just start up an oil stone collection:D

Picked up a little Ace hardware stone today, knife went dull at the job site so I needed something, so far so good. It's harder than my Norton and is a little easier to get rid of the burr. My fine Norton SiC stone is as muddy as a King stone and always seems to wash out the apex.

I don't know if yall have seen the size of my sic stone or not it's frigging huge at 10×3×3. If yall know someone that cuts stones I've be willing to give away some 10x3x1 slabs
 
I don't know if yall have seen the size of my sic stone or not it's frigging huge at 10×3×3. If yall know someone that cuts stones I've be willing to give away some 10x3x1 slabs

Man, I wish I did cause that would be very cool. :)
 
I don't know if yall have seen the size of my sic stone or not it's frigging huge at 10×3×3. If yall know someone that cuts stones I've be willing to give away some 10x3x1 slabs

You can cut them on a diamond tile saw, just have to make sure the deck is square to the blade cause it will probably have to be done in two passes - top and bottom.
 
Very nice Martin, I really like the illustration.

Now that I have all the waterstones I could ever need I might just start up an oil stone collection:D

Picked up a little Ace hardware stone today, knife went dull at the job site so I needed something, so far so good. It's harder than my Norton and is a little easier to get rid of the burr. My fine Norton SiC stone is as muddy as a King stone and always seems to wash out the apex.

I'm trying to recall if my Crystalon was real muddy when I got it. It doesn't seem very muddy at all now, a little bit but in the range of my ACE stone. The ACE stone is a great deal, great all around combo stone and the mud smeared on a sheet of paper or dollar bill is a great hasty stropping compound.
 
I can cut it for you. SiC cuts pretty easily with a diamond saw. PM if you're interested.
 
I don't have a tile saw if you do and want to try it let me know

Mine is too small to make the cut in one pass and is not 100% square. Last time I cut a stone down I had to lap the snot out of it afterward where the cuts overlapped...
 
What do you get when the Jehovah witnesses come in your yard and no matter how much you yell and say get back that growling dog that is growling and snarling at you in that fence will bite you don't come in here , yet they come in your hard anyway ?

Meanwhile while your dog is wanting his breakfast your daughter finds your oil for your oils tones and because she watches you all the time she covers your Waterston in oil ?

Can this be fixed ? Right now it's in a pot on the stove about to try to boil it .
 
What do you get when the Jehovah witnesses come in your yard and no matter how much you yell and say get back that growling dog that is growling and snarling at you in that fence will bite you don't come in here , yet they come in your hard anyway ?

Meanwhile while your dog is wanting his breakfast your daughter finds your oil for your oils tones and because she watches you all the time she covers your Waterston in oil ?

Can this be fixed ? Right now it's in a pot on the stove about to try to boil it .

If its not too bad it can be boiled out. If its a ceramic stone you might be able to suspend it in a baking pan, cover partially with foil, and put it on a burner or on your open grill, well away from the house. Right around 350° it will start to smoke and smell terrible. Keep the heat on till it stops smoking. You could even start a fire on it in an outdoor pit and smoke it out that way.

Don't try that with resin stones! Boil and if necessary toss in a slug or two of dishwasher soap. If that doesn't work they're probably shot.

The scorch mark on the upper right of this stone is from the baking pan treatment, the oil wouldn't come out entirely with a boil, but it had been completely impregnated. A half hour on the side burner on my grill and its good as new:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DWdfhnpBe0

That's the better looking side of the stone, the other side ranges from ash grey to black.
 
It's my king 800! One of my favorite stones . I didn't boil it long but u saw the oil coming out of it.

Pulled it out of the water and I keep that stone in water 24/7 I had put it in a stone holder about to sharpen before idiots #1 &2 pulled up.

Anyhow a quick boil and I pulled the stone carefully out of the water and it's weird because it was boiling in water and lives in water but when I pulled it out it was sucking up water .

Rather than let it dry out I'm spraying it with water seeing how much it will hold
 
Yeah, when they come out of a hot boil the water just soaks right through.

If you pour some denatured alcohol on it and it loads up, you still have oil in it. You'll also tell by how much it loads and when you go to lap it, it'll load up your lapping plate.

It can work OK with a bit of contamination.
 
Yeah, when they come out of a hot boil the water just soaks right through.

If you pour some denatured alcohol on it and it loads up, you still have oil in it. You'll also tell by how much it loads and when you go to lap it, it'll load up your lapping plate.

It can work OK with a bit of contamination.

I put kosher salt on it as well , read that it did something anyway guess I got it in time stone acts the same as before
 
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