Fordite

Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

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Help me out here folks.
I grew up around Fordite. It was an annoying waste product at the local Ford plant where I worked in my young days (My dad did the medical work there and my son worked there until they closed the plant).

Here is what it is:
When a car or truck body goes through the paint booth it is bolted on a pair of big steel skids. The same skids will be used over and over again. The paint builds up layer upon layer of every color paint they paint a car/truck in. At summer model change the skids are sent out to the yard and young guys like me would smash off the buildup with sledgehammers. Some pieces were pretty big and heavy. It was sharp and would cut you if you weren't careful. Lapidary guys like me would cut some pieces into belt buckle size cabochons. They were pretty much novelties and worthless. We called it Ford Plant Agate. Other ford plant workers put in aquariums and rock gardens. I still have some nice size chunks somewhere around, and recently a forum member sent me a few small pieces that he considered special and rare (thanks). My good friend Andy's dad worked at the plant most of his life and somewhere on his large lot he used big chunks as border stones for his gardens. The older stuff from when they painted with enamel is much better than the acrylic used now.

Now, I see it in expensive jewelry and even in Blade magazine next to a knife done by W. Valtakis!
I was considering using some as an inlay in a handle, and some jewelry, but now I'm thinking the pommel and quillion stones of Merlin's sword and matching dagger?

What do you chaps think of Fordite? I looked it up on eBay and Amazon. People are getting good money for rather unimpressive jewelry. Brightly colored stuff can bring hundreds of dollars. Most of what I have around is far better than what I see online. Should I make a knife or two with it? Should I go prospecting in Andy's dad's old gardens?
 
By all means Stacy - it's another chance for you to educate us mere mortals :)

Sounds like you're recovering nicely - don't overdo yourself.
 
I’d love to see something in Fordite come out of your shop Stacy! It's a really cool material!

The majority of modern day fordite comes from Kenworth, MOPAR, and Jeep factories. The highest quality modern material (as far as colors go) comes from the Corvette and Tesla factory these days... But it's definitely not on the level of the pre '80s stuff. That material is on a whole different level as far as density and hardness goes. Some of the stuff from the late 60's and 70's had absolutely amazing colors! The pre '80s material has become rarer than hens teeth, so if you get ahold of some, I'd use it for something really special!

The majority of the material that I have on hand comes from a MOPAR factory in Michigan that makes parts for Dodge SUVs and Ford pickups, and most of the rest comes from a Kenworth semi factory.

This is a piece from the MOPAR factory. Most of the stuff out of the factory is a bit muted in colors.

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This piece is from a Kenworth factory. A lot of the Kenworth material has a lot of yellows and blues in it. Aside from Fordite from the Corvette factory, it's my favorite modern day automotive Fordite.

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This piece is also from a Kenworth factory. Bumpy material like this is called "dragonskin" and can be absolutely gorgeous when worked correctly!

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This is what the bumps look like when you grind into them (not my picture).

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There are also some offshoots of Fordite. Some of the more popular ones are "playground" fordite, which comes from the overspray when making playground equipment for parks and schools, and Cadillac Ranch Fordite that is spray paint that comes from a roadside attraction in Texas (and elsewhere) where people paint cars that are stuck in the ground.

A new one to the scene is "Graffite". Graffite is graffiti fordite. The material I have on hand comes from a skatepark in Renton, Washington (near Seattle). The colors you get with Graffite can be absolutely insane! Unfortunately, since it's just spray paint, it is much less durable than even the modern day Fordite. Graffite, playground Fordite, and Cadillac Ranch Fordite should really be stabilized in a resin before using.

Here's a piece of Graffite I have on hand.

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Here's a video (if anyone is interested) that goes into the changes in the automotive paint industry, and why we don't see the "good stuff" anymore.

 
Yeah, I've been seeing it being used for crafts and jewelry for many years now....
If you have access to those garden gnome's stash, I say go for it! ;)
 
I have been seeing a good bit of it on one of the popular sites that also carry exotic and domestic scale and handle materials. Seems to be fetching much more than some very nice handle/scale burl woods and such.
 
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Yeah, I think you could do something really cool with that stuff.

Personally I'd try to do something super niche you know? Like make a "mustang Bowie" or something. Find out what plant the Fordite came from, then chase down a car at a junkyard that came from that plant, make damascus from the axle and the bumper (or something suitable, with an insert for the edge of course). Use a chunk of the leaf spring for the guard, the door lock knob for the pommel nut.

Collectors go nuts for that kinda thing... Well car guys do, I dunno about knife collectors...
 
Who knew. We used to dump it off the pier at the ford plant before there was an EPA, then it went to the dump in dump truck loads. I may have to go see Mr. Bell and find out if it is still out in his gardens. I used to see it in 1-to-5-pound blocks of near-glass hard enamel. I think I have enough on hand for this project, though, if I can find those two big pieces ... and they match. Last time I saw them they were with my lapidary stuff. Now, if I can only find my lapidary stuff.......

I will have a couple of weeks that I am not allowed in the shop (banned by myself because I know I will start moving heavy things and doing stuff). I may take that time and sketch out my plans for Merlin's Sword and Dagger. It has been floating in my head or about 20 years. First tamahagane, then damascus, then a fancy Damasteel, but nothing jumped out and said "THAT's IT!" I switched to thinking about titanium a while back after some talks with Mencha. Super-light Ti seemed to fit my mind's-image better, but will be more work, so I have shelved it until the new shop was done and the bigger equipment will be setup that won't burn the place down grinding a 48" Ti sword.
Because they are magic, the huge sword feels like it weighs almost nothing, the dagger, light as a feather ... (because they will be made in titanium, which would have been a magical metal in 1000AD.) The style will be a classic Walace profile with dropped quillion and trifoil with round stone accents. Circle pommel with round accent stones. Darker blue anodized blade and hardware with variating red "flame" edges and an engraved Ricasso. I may attempt to engrave the ricasso area myself in his style, but this might be worth a chat with W. Valtakis on pricing for his amazing artwork.

Time to get out the big drafting pads.
 
I have seen things made of this stuff on the internet and my initial reaction was that it's very cool and interesting. But in my opinion the first impression wears off pretty fast and you realize that it's just a chunk of colorful plastic.

Of course that's just my purely subjective opinion:)
 
I have seen things made of this stuff on the internet and my initial reaction was that it's very cool and interesting. But in my opinion the first impression wears off pretty fast and you realize that it's just a chunk of colorful plastic.

Of course that's just my purely subjective opinion:)
Worse than plastic....."Just Paint". 😂😂😂
 
I don't think you could stabilize the enamel stuff ... it is a rock. Mulitpl3 layers of M7+ baked enamel. You need diamond equipment to shape and properly polish it.
The acrylic is similar in hardness to Krinolite, and will work like and plastic product.

I am going to have lots of time to think this out before I get to cutting the stones. I can cut cabochons out of something really cool like tourmalinated/rutilated quartz, use Fordite, or custom facet some stones from gem rough.
I have large pieces of top-grade rough that would cut matching suites in:
50+year old Afghan Lapis
Brecciated hyalite opal, with a blue glow to it
South African Tigers Eye
Zoisite, Unakite, etc.
 
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