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Well, I spend all of my time cleaning steel and putting that in to a damascus billet which is then forged by someone else, which I then anneal, and then which I grind down in to barstock.
It may not actually be negated by annealing, but the reason normalizing and triple quenching works is because you're recrystallizing the grains, so I'd imagine it would follow the shape of the knife. But like you said, if the grain follows the shape of the knife, will it make a difference? I think it would matter more in large carbide steels, such as stainlesses, but I think you guys already don't believe me that stainless can benefit from forging.
. - fabulous Keith. )
It may not actually be negated by annealing, but the reason normalizing and triple quenching works is because you're recrystallizing the grains, so I'd imagine it would follow the shape of the knife. But like you said, if the grain follows the shape of the knife, will it make a difference? I think it would matter more in large carbide steels, such as stainlesses, but I think you guys already don't believe me that stainless can benefit from forging.
No and no. Stainless steels are all forged anyway, just like all steel that we use. Forging guys are forging something that is 1/4" thick that started out as a several ton billet.The thing I don't understand is this: won't forging stailess steels promote the formation of brittle carbides (chromium, vanadium, etc)? Wouldn't forging temperatures in an oxidizing atmospere cause the steel to lose some of it's stain resistance (mainly through the formation of chromium oxides at elevated temp.)?
I can see what you're saying.
Wow, go away for a day and look what happens - this thread is huge
(I don't know how to include others' quotes from multiple posts on multiple pages so I'll just cut and paste).
Kevin Jones wrote:
Got your helmet on yet?
I would disagree, if fact take the opposite.
Who many stock removal knives don't resemble a Loveless model?
None of my stock removal knives resemble a loveless model except two (and I have quite a few more than that). I also said I think.. before making my 'creativity / look the same' comment and stated before that that this is how it looks to me. I dont say others need to agree with this, this is just my opinion. It also doesnt refer to all forged knives, as I was keeping it to hunters, bowies, camp knives (referring to the blade shape - nothing else).
I was merely pointing that many of today's stock removal knives are similar to Loveless models.
Kevin Jones wrote:
Ever noticed at the beginning of a western, when the camera pans down main street, you always hear the ring of the anvil in the background. That's because the movie producers know it does not feel like the west without it.
And next to the bartender, the blacksmith was the busiest and most important guy in town
That's true, but that blacksmith wasn't pounding out a knife. He was making or fixing horseshoes!
I wasn't implying that the blacksmith was making knives. I was replying to Keith's earilier post in referring to the tradition of forging.
But now that you bring it up, early blacksmith made a lot more than horseshoes. They typically made hand and plowing tools, wagon parts, hardware, knives, and basically anything people needed that was not readily available.
(Don't mean to focus on Kevin here, those were just the two posts that made me itch to reply
This raised an interesting question for me. Do the guys making stainless damascus use shim stock or some other thin stock so they don't have to bust down big pieces?
I'll be here all week.....try the veal
injection molding.....isn't that how Jimmy Johnson gets his hair to stay like that? :thumbup:
i was looking at the specs on that CPM60V/T440V......well over 2% carbon and 18% chromium? Holy schmoley!!!! That stuff would be nasty to forge!!!!! Ed Caffrey was saying that the big difference when he got his MS stamp was that requests went from mostly "I want this, this and this" to a lot more "what will you be making next?" Little more freedom to make what you want in addition to a little jump in the cash flow. Do you ever see yourself getting to the point where some of the smiths who are well into their career say "it just doesn't make economic sense for me anymore to make $350-400 plain carbon steel hunters anymore?" I read a post on here a little while ago where someone said that you probably weren't weren't going to be seeing any more small blades from Jerry Fisk that weren't made from damascus and engraved.
Thats cool, Ed. Most of the mosaic knives that I see are probably never intended for using. Yet in addition to you, I have seen a few knives from Ed Caffrey and a couple of others where the did a San Mai laminate or where they keep the nickel away from the cutting edge on some complex mosaics or high contrast multi-bar patterns that potentially were a bit "delicate" in the cutting performance department
The idea of a knife being able to perform even if it is being bought because it is a pretty piece of artwork and will never be used is a big deal to me. That is why I kind of huffed and puffed a bit in this thread about art and fantasy knives. Just my opinion and a reason that, until very recently, i had sworn on the misty, hazy spirits of my distant dead ancestors that i wouldn't mess around with damascus.......of course, now I can't wait to learn how to make the stuff!!!
