Forging Fun with Dan Farr

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Be warned, if you dislike verbose and picture laden work-in-progress threads featuring an overdose of my ugly mug, flee while you can.

The modem-challenged can find an album of the photos here:

http://www.fototime.com/inv/C091951C46AEDFA

Still here? Okay, on with the story… Part 1 of 3

The e-mail read like this: “Hey Roger, want to come down next weekend and forge out a knife?” Since the sender was Dan Farr, and I the weekend happened to be of the three-day variety for us Canucks, the answer was a very quick “Yes!”. Which was then tempered by the realization that I am basically useless with tools. Oh well, I figured it would be fun no matter how pathetic my efforts proved to be. Plus I would get to see Dan forge out a couple of knives which would be worth the short 2 hour drive from Oakville to Rochester.

We left Dan’s home in Rochester for his cabin in the quaint little village of Dansville (no, I’m not making that up, I’m not nearly that creative) where his forge is located. Talk about an ideal setting – beautiful piece of land, heavily treed, overlooking a running stream.

Dan went first, forging out a small hunter and explaining the steps as he went. It was quite a revelation – I had no idea that a bar of steel could be moved into something very close to the shape of a knife so quickly. At least, it can be done quickly when a talented and experienced bladesmith is holding the hammer. Making the most of the short period of time when the steel is hot enough to move easily under the hammer is key. Big hits, by and large, are not needed. Just hitting where it needs to be hit, when it needs to be hit is what gets the job done. And if that sounds easier to say than to put into practice, well, you would be right.

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It was my turn to go and I would also be starting with a hunter, progressing to a mid-size knife, and then, depending on how things went, maybe to a bowie. At least, that was the plan, but more on that later.

Okay. Keep it simple. Take a bar of 5160. Get it hot….

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… and hit it hard.

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It took WAY more heats and hits for me to get to something resembling a knife, but get there I eventually did.


Then Dan decided to demonstrate the power hammer…

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Which I would use to forge out the “midsize” knife from a bar of 1084.. I would discover the joys and sorrows of the power hammer. The joys – well, you can draw out a tang faster than it takes me to type “you can draw out a tang”. The sorrows – well, when you mis-hit holding a hammer, you don’t smack it four more times consecutively at or near that spot. But the power hammer can really magnify your mistakes by doing just that.

There was still a fair bit of hand-hammering on the “midsize” knife, which I had so much fun hitting that it somehow ended up being a big honkin’ blade. It was more of a straight-backed camp-knife type shape, but – and here’s one of the cool things about forging – I decided to bring down the tip and go for more of a bowie profile.

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Dan makes sure I have the darn thing straight – as in straight spine and centered edge.

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It’s not real easy (for me, anyway) to keep the edge centered in that long blade. But once you get the spine straight, you just heat it up, clamp the spine in a vise and tweek the edge toward the center with the tongs. One of the more gratifying moments would come when we scribed the center line for the edge before final shaping on the grinder and the thing was dead-centered.

Here, the big blade is removed from the Dansville forge for the last time:

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I am smiling because, although this thing barely looks like a knife, it sure feels like one already. Dan is smiling because he is real happy that I did not in fact burn his barn to the ground.

After annealing, a final visit to the anvil for a photo-op, Dan officially named the blade “Canadian Bushwhacker”:

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As we drove back to Rochester, I felt pretty hot, tired, but happy. Dan casually mentioned that the easy part was behind us. He was smiling, so I assumed he was joking. Brother, I could not have been more wrong. We had barely begun.


Next we would grind off the scale:

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The surface-grinder would come in handy as well, at least once I got used to the rub-your-head-while-patting-your-tummy operation of the controls:

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End of Part 1
 
……. Part 2 of 3

Profiling the blade on the grinder worked the blades toward something that looked a good bit more knife-like:

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Then it was time for normalizing. This process involved heating the blades in the forge in Dan’s garage to a good even pumpkin glow, then letting them cool for a half hour or so. And doing it THREE times. For each of the FOUR blades.


Then it was time for one more careful, even, heat and quench in oil. To say that my heart was in my mouth as I quickly inserted that long blade into the oil would be an understatement, but thankfully, the quench proved to be drama free.

If this all seems like something that would take a long time, you are correct again. Some time close to midnight the now fully-hardened blades were put to bed in a vat of liquid nitrogen, and we called it a day. A very looong day.

The next morning, the very chilled blades were removed from their deep freeze and cleaned up again to prepare for the next steps.

First, we would draw the spine to a spring temper. This step involves immersing the edge of the blade in water, using a torch on the spine and carefully watching for the tell-tale blue colour to be pushed part-way down the width of the blade, while being extra-careful when approaching the comparatively thin tip:

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Here’s a great shot of the torch pushing the blue down the spine.

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Oh, and this too would be done THREE times, after which it was time to complete the heat-treating with a computer-controlled oven (different temps for the 1084 versus 5160 blades)..

I think it only fair to reward the patient reader who has come this far by accelerating the story and letting the pictures tell the tale.

There was a fair bit more grinding (which, but the way, I totally suck at):

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Grinding an even swedge onto the bowie was particularly challenging. It ended up being a bit longer and deeper than originally planned due to all the evening-out that I had to do.

And no small amount of hand-sanding as well. (Man, right here is where you learn to hate building bowies).

After rolling a convex edge onto both blades, it was time for a little test-cutting. Here, the little hunter whisks through some paper:

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And my heart was in my mouth one more time as the bowie blade was whacked through a brass rod:

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End of part 2.
 
……. Part 3 of 3


A milling machine really helps with the process of fitting the guard:

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And a bit of clean-up after soldering the guard in place:

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And this one is done, including my “maker’s” mark:

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Her Dan holds up the finished bowie blade, observing that that it looks vaguely Massey-ish in profile. (Note to all – comparisons to that talented Master Smith are wildly exaggerated – the only thing our blades have in common is that they were both made by a guy named Roger). Dan was kind enough to show the “good” side of the blade. Some too-deep hits with the power hammer had put some cratered low spots into the opposite side that could not be removed without grinding this thing down to a big honkin’ fillet knife. The official story is that one side of the blade is rendered in “forge-texture expedition-grade finish”. Yeah baby, that’s the ticket:

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I’ll be returning at a future date to learn about handles (something of a specialty with Dan, to say the least) and time permitting, a bit of sheath-making as well. I can’t wait to get out into the Dansville woods with this pair!

I am most grateful to Dan for this tremendous experience. I learned so much that my head hurts, but had just a ton of fun along the way. I have gained a whole new level of appreciation for the art of craft of bladesmithing, and in particular, the tremendous care taken by Dan in crafting his knives, not to mention his proficiency and skill.

It goes without saying that I could not possibly have gone from “How the heck do you turn on this grinder anyway?” to these finished blades without a lot of hand-holding every step of the way. And while the knives are VERY far from perfect, I have to say that it is VERY cool to have in my possession two blades that I made that will actually function as knives. Most gratifying, indeed.

All the best,

Roger
 
OUTSTANDING Roger!!! :D

I would invite you guys to my place... but you all live right around a bazillion miles away!

Thanks to Dan for welcoming you into his shop and being so generous with his time and attention... and thanks to you, Roger, for sharing it all here on the forum!!! :thumbup: :cool:
 
Good looking blades. I think we've all wanted to try our hands at making a knife. Congrats on your 1st pair.

Hats off to Dan for taking the time to show you the steps.

Don't forget to show us the finished product.
 
How cool is that?
Great photos.
A very enjoyable read and some pretty darn nice looking blades as well.

Thanx for bringing us along :D
 
Great story and pictures. I sure enjoyed sharing in your experience Roger and a tip o' the hat to Dan Farr for his willingness to invite you down. Ya'll got me smiling now.
 
Roger,
Awesome thread and pics.You so ROCK!! :thumbup:
Very nice knives,I think they look great.
You must be so proud,kudos to Dan. :cool:
Will they be handled in Lig Vit?

Doug:)
 
Awesome knives, Roger! VERY well done!!! :cool: :thumbup:

And very good and informative review with great pics as well! :thumbup:

Thanks a lot! :D
 
WOW... What a weekend... great fun for you... great blades... I'll bet it was a hell of an educational time as well..I think I am going to save this in my how-to file... WOW

tnx
 
Wow! What a story and effort. Incredible work produced for a first-timer. Good coaching makes ALL the difference!

Dan, your knifemaking ability is only exceeded by your hospitality and aptitude in teaching.

Roger, wipe that smile off your face! :thumbup: :D

Thanks,

Coop
 
Well, being fortunate enough to have worked under Dan's tutelage for a weekend myself, I found myself smiling knowingly as I read through this post. A lot of the emotions Roger described are familiar to me.

Except I didn't make anything nearly as nice as Roger did. Wow. Great job, Roger! You're a natural! :)

Dan is so generous with his time and knowledge it's no wonder the ABS formally recognized him this year for his selfless contributions to bladesmithing.

Thanks for the great write-up and pictures, Roger.
 
Very cool. Those blades look good. I'm particularly impressed with the solder joint on the guards.
 
Good work. I think that any collector benefits tremendously by learning to make knives - and vice-versa.
 
Roger, fantastically cool experience to share with us. Dan definitely has skills, but so do you.
 
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