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I'm curious about the prospect of forging something with higher content of alloys than the normal, 10xx series, 01, w1/2, 52100, etc. Etc.
What I'm curious about is if someone was to take on something like forging d2, a2, 154cm, things like that, basically anything that isn't particle metallurgy really.
The thing that has me curious is the guys in japan, like masashi. He likes to forge skd steels (basically a2, d2 over here, and whatever skd magic is equivalent to) and I believe he also does sld.
Now I know this can be done obviously, but what I'm wondering is about the growth of carbides in the steel. And knowing that the amount of alloying elements in these steels doesn't allow for completely dissolving them into solution below melting temperatures. So how does someone forge them without having giant carbides remaining throughout the steel effecting toughness?
Do the super long anneal times allow for the dissolving, and redistribution of smaller carbides just over a much longer period of time than what would happen during a normalization cycle in a simpler steel?
Also on a different note that I'll throw in. I watched an interview with masashi a little while back, on a live stream, and asked him if he used cryo, and wanted to hear what he thought about using it. (Just curious because of the seeming differences in the knifemaking culture over there). He mentioned that he found he could use cryo in a way other than what is traditionally done, to improve knife properties. This was through a translation done by the interviewer. Masashi refused to go into it much further (not wanting to give away too much info, to potential competitors I guess), but encouraged people to do experiments to find out more about it.
I've been racking my brain about this ever since. What could he possibly be doing? If I remember he was implying that he might be actually using it before austenizing and quenching. From what I understand, the guy does know, and understand metallurgy quite well, has a family history of knife makers, and he is one of the few makers over their willing to experiment with new stuff. So I tend to think maybe he's is somehow onto something. I just don't know what.
Tl;dr I'm dumb and want you guys to make me smarter.
What I'm curious about is if someone was to take on something like forging d2, a2, 154cm, things like that, basically anything that isn't particle metallurgy really.
The thing that has me curious is the guys in japan, like masashi. He likes to forge skd steels (basically a2, d2 over here, and whatever skd magic is equivalent to) and I believe he also does sld.
Now I know this can be done obviously, but what I'm wondering is about the growth of carbides in the steel. And knowing that the amount of alloying elements in these steels doesn't allow for completely dissolving them into solution below melting temperatures. So how does someone forge them without having giant carbides remaining throughout the steel effecting toughness?
Do the super long anneal times allow for the dissolving, and redistribution of smaller carbides just over a much longer period of time than what would happen during a normalization cycle in a simpler steel?
Also on a different note that I'll throw in. I watched an interview with masashi a little while back, on a live stream, and asked him if he used cryo, and wanted to hear what he thought about using it. (Just curious because of the seeming differences in the knifemaking culture over there). He mentioned that he found he could use cryo in a way other than what is traditionally done, to improve knife properties. This was through a translation done by the interviewer. Masashi refused to go into it much further (not wanting to give away too much info, to potential competitors I guess), but encouraged people to do experiments to find out more about it.
I've been racking my brain about this ever since. What could he possibly be doing? If I remember he was implying that he might be actually using it before austenizing and quenching. From what I understand, the guy does know, and understand metallurgy quite well, has a family history of knife makers, and he is one of the few makers over their willing to experiment with new stuff. So I tend to think maybe he's is somehow onto something. I just don't know what.
Tl;dr I'm dumb and want you guys to make me smarter.