forging how to???

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I have an anvil, a propane forge and some w1 steel rod that is 3/4 inch round. I have been flatening out the rod and enjoying smacking the metal but I really dont know how to start forging it into a knife. Does anyone have any links or specific info on how to forge the point of the knife as well as the bevels? I am looking to make something about he size of a typical hunter.


Thanks

John
 
good thread! i'm kind of in the same boat. anxiously awaiting the responses.

jake
 
Check out Kevin Cashen's site, he has a forging tutorial for a hunter...should be just what you're looking for.
 
Find a bladesmith or a hammer-in.....go..watch...listen...
ask lots of questions...and try your hand.

You don't show your locale, but there's a hammer-in in
two weeks in Moberly Mo.
 
The New England Custom Knife Assn. might be able to point you
toward a near by smith, or up coming hammer-in.
 
I just started forging too. I'm having a hard time getting the blade shape because when I forge the curve on the edge it puts a upward sweep in my whole knife but if I turn it over to knock the super clip point down, it messes the edge up. I dunno, sure would be nice to see how an experienced smith does it. I just taught myself how to forge the bevels though and it's not as hard as I thought although, still not easy. What I do is hit the edge in a pound and slide outward motion if that makes sense... kind of squishing and smoothing the steel into an edge. I really admire the guys here that can forge such beautiful blades. Don't know how they do it but, I bet it didn't happen in a couple weeks!
 
For straightening without deforming the surface you're hitting, use
a wood, or rawhide mallet.....old tech...works great..!
 
I just whack the steel with a hammer until it looks like a knife. ;) :p


One of these days I'd like to do a tutorial on it with a ton of pics. Part of the reason I've never done it is my head will probably explode when I get 50 experts telling me how I'm doing it wrong. :D
 
I'm a big believer in using a whompin stick. I've got a pickaxe handle that I use for heavy work and a wooden mallet I made out of pecan for lighter straightening.

I do the point differently than Kevin, not saying it's better, just the way I was taught and I teach. I forge from barstock, if the piece is short I weld a handle onto it. I'll put the bar on anvil at a slight angle with the tip on the edge of the anvil. Brace the bar tightly against your side (which is why you wear a leather apron)and hammer the top corner of the bar back towards you. It will bulge, so you turn the bar on it's side and flatten. Keep repeating until you get the bar pointed in, hit the point back, flatten the sides. Initially it'll take a while, with practice, good heat and a big hammer it doesn't take long. After I get the blade pointed back, I hammer the general shape I want the blade to follow.

I bevel blades a little differently also, not better, just the way I was taught. I'll forge a taper from ricasso to tip then I forge the bevels from the tip back to the ricasso. I'll hammer a bit from the tip, then follow the line along the middle of the bevel, then follow the lines until I get to the spine. I keep the blade shape under control with the whompin stick and wooden mallet. Most people get different mileage than me so take the way I do it with a grain of salt.

Your other option is to hot cut or grind the end of the bar back to a 45 and shape the tip that way.

You know there's a guy in Maine that's pretty good with a hammer named Don Fogg. He teaches some blade/sword smithing classes at a school in Auburn, Maine or somewhere in that area.
 
I just whack the steel with a hammer until it looks like a knife. ;) :p


One of these days I'd like to do a tutorial on it with a ton of pics. Part of the reason I've never done it is my head will probably explode when I get 50 experts telling me how I'm doing it wrong. :D

AMEN TO THAT! but here I go anyway... I suppose youve got yourself a hopefully straight piece of approximatly 1.5"w and hopefully about 1/4" - 3/16" thick you have 2 options, 1) thermal cycle it 3x to normalize, let cool and draw your pattern on and grind it out, that isnt very fun so we'll explore option#2. Pick an end that you want to be the pointy end, and heat it to a cherry, now using a cold chisel and the pad just before the horn of your anvil, shape the point. Now draw it out to about 1/16" of an inch thickness. this gives you plenty of meat to quench with and give you start on a distal taper. (Next time though taper the end to look like a sharpend pencil before flattening that way when you flaten the point is already shaped.:cool:)

We are now ready for the bevels. back up to the pad just before the horn. lay the blade parelell with the anvil tip towards the hardy (square) hole and the point just before the choil where you want the plunge to begin should hang over the step. Raise the spine about 20-30º and give short repeated blows from the choil to the tip to set the bevels. Do this on both sides. Repeat until the bevel is about 3/4 up the side of the blade. Lowering the degrees until it is about 10-15º.

Now flip the end and draw the tang into the full or stick tang you want. for a stick, again draw it out to look like an elongated sharpend pencil then flatten. normalize 3 times and on the 3rd allow to slow cool. Follow the instructions on spheroidizing in the kevin cashen hypereutectoid sticky. and now your ready to give the final grind to shape and sanding to 220 then clay and quench.

Jason
 
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