forging versus stock removal

Thanks caknives for your replies! There is definitely something that feels different about a knife that was forged the old-fashioned way versus one that was rolled. Maybe it's more psychological than anything. I still appreciate you're response. That goes for all of you, thanks.
 
O come on we all know that forging packs the atoms closer together by squeezing the electrons closer to the atoms nucleus therefor making the edge more dense giving it super strength. :eek: :rolleyes: :confused: ;) :foot: :D

Man i love the smiles, they express so much emotion
 
Also don't forget that the normalization direction is very important, if the tip of the forged blade points to magnetic north the grain will flow spine to tip :eek::p:D;):yawn:. You should send a prayer to Hephaestus mean time :foot::barf::)...
 
caknives said:
Hot rolling is not forging, Forging involves impact, rolling is only pressure.
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Even if this were true, "impact" isn't necessarily a good thing. It would impart stresses unevenly in different parts of the blade, encouraging cracking later on. That's why we normalize--to relieve all the stresses and abuse we hammered into the steel during the forging process.

Forging isn't better. It's just cooler. :D

Josh
 
A bladesmiths hammer is not a magic wand! Folks are getting lost in the semantics here. It is all plastic deformation. The steel doesn't know whether it was deformed by a hammer or a roller:rolleyes: (except that one was a whole lot more even than the other). Perhaps a quick search for irons Currie point and the underlying physics is in order.

Have you folks ever seen images of Chernobyl today? The entire city is reverting back to meadows and forests, whole Mayan cities were reclaimed by nature to the point you could almost stand on top of them and not see them. As soon as intense human effort and influence ceases entropy takes over almost imediately. Perhaps the fastest example of this would be an internet forum if you removed all the members who had been round more than a year or two. I am not going to get much more involved in this chat than this because I have already typed on it ad nausuem. To be honest there have been a few too many hot button yet incredibly basic topics discussed here lately for simple coincidence to explain.;)
 
So I stop by during my lunch break to see that Tai has got it right in both posts! Forging temperatures can indeed help with hydrogen issues (well so can normal heat treatments). But forged blades are indeed way cooler, other wise why would I even bother with the hassle:)?
 
I had to forge today cause my D2 stock was too thick and was not wide enough for a hunter ordred last week. It was PITA, too much heats to shape that stubborn steel, my back hurts. with one cold shut one bar has cracked at the ricasso area. Cut it from there and forged again. Next time I'll order thinner and wide stock just to eliminate the forging stage for D2. For simpler steel forging is ok for me as some of them are not available proper dimensions and it is much more easy to make tapers and bevels. But without a power hammer or press I'll keep stock removing these SS or semi SS's. I dont care if it is cool or what, a good knife made perfectly is cool no matter it is forged or not...
 
FWIW---I like both Stock Removal and Forged blades. My Leu's are killa's and so is my Bradburn! ;)
 
Kevin R. Cashen said:
So I stop by during my lunch break to see that Tai has got it right in both posts! Forging temperatures can indeed help with hydrogen issues (well so can normal heat treatments). But forged blades are indeed way cooler, other wise why would I even bother with the hassle:)?
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... before they knew about hydrogen,... they thought of it as "evil spirits".

Sometimes normal heat treating doesn't get all the hydrogen atoms out. Some always seem to get stuck. Forging knocks them loose, so they can get out. LOL :D

(... just a little hydrogen humor!)
 
galadduin said:
Also don't forget that the normalization direction is very important, if the tip of the forged blade points to magnetic north the grain will flow spine to tip :eek::p:D;):yawn:. You should send a prayer to Hephaestus mean time :foot::barf::)...
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I actually watched a blade smithing video where they say that when normalizing you should let it cool while its pointed at magnet north. I could not help but start laughing, I wounder how this idea came about
 
now if I had a blade that had a slight bend to the right could I normalize say 3 degrees east of north would ajust for the bend or no:D and don't forget the human blood quench of old:p
 
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