forgotten technology - logging saws

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Bladite

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i'll just toss this on the subject list...

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then then we can start talking about a related subject to axes and scythes :D
 
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ayup

who's up to talking about saws of old?

i just got a couple of fine cross cut saws. they are in very good, working condition, but i will clean up the hardware a bit, and oil the handles and ...

pretty darn cool that my saw came with the set tool :D


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also a nice one man saw (cross cut style)


and some dinky hatchets and a Stanley plane...

but hey, saws...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosscut_saw

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Yup a saw set. I have a box full around here somewhere. I picked them up for 2 or 3 dollars each over the years. I used to find Disston saws for $5 too but they are getting scarce as axes.
 
halfaxe said:
Yup a saw set. I have a box full around here somewhere. I picked them up for 2 or 3 dollars each over the years. I used to find Disston saws for $5 too but they are getting scarce as axes.
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i got $20 :D
 
Great little felling saw you have there. The curve in the back of the saw is to make room for wedges in the kerf. A bucking saw would be flat across the back.

We have a crosscut saw thread here in the axe forum.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/885774-Crosscut-Saw-Thread


I think those hand sets were made for carpenters saws. Crosscut saws were most often set either by wrenching or more often hammered over a small hand held anvil shaped like a hammer head.
 
OK, just to show my complete ignorance of saws:D, what the heck is a saw set used for? I think I remember seeing one of those out in the old shop and didn't have a clue about what it was for. May or may not still be out there. My packrat gene may not have engaged on it.

I know there is an old 2 man saw of some sort hanging on a wall in one of the out buildings.
 
zzyzzogeton said:
OK, just to show my complete ignorance of saws:D, what the heck is a saw set used for? I think I remember seeing one of those out in the old shop and didn't have a clue about what it was for. May or may not still be out there. My packrat gene may not have engaged on it.

I know there is an old 2 man saw of some sort hanging on a wall in one of the out buildings.
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The cutting teeth have to be offset slightly from plumb alternating from side to side or else the saw will bind as it cuts. Saw set tool is used for that.
 
zzyzzogeton said:
OK, just to show my complete ignorance of saws:D, what the heck is a saw set used for? I think I remember seeing one of those out in the old shop and didn't have a clue about what it was for. May or may not still be out there. My packrat gene may not have engaged on it.

I know there is an old 2 man saw of some sort hanging on a wall in one of the out buildings.
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check out the link in post #5 above... hit the full student PDF manual referenced, goto chapter 5... enjoy!

it explains, in rapturous detail how a saw works in general, and this applies to a great many saws in general... good knowledge to have...

the whole PDF is a WEALTH of cool stuff
 
Square_peg said:
Great little felling saw you have there. The curve in the back of the saw is to make room for wedges in the kerf. A bucking saw would be flat across the back.

We have a crosscut saw thread here in the axe forum.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/885774-Crosscut-Saw-Thread


I think those hand sets were made for carpenters saws. Crosscut saws were most often set either by wrenching or more often hammered over a small hand held anvil shaped like a hammer head.
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checking out the other thread too :D

the guy who sold me the saw said he used this set. it looks more like a precision and consistent way to grab a tooth, to lock on, and bending is manual, the set doesn't actually bend the tooth by squeezing - that would be realllllly hard to do.

but yeah, certain kinds of vise-grips could be adjusted or even a spanner, something slotted to grab and let go cleanly, and provide a lever...

the various aspects of how to sharpen these bad boys, the feel gauges needed, and such, would be fascinating to learn fully.

i'd like to get a dozen or so saws and try them out; *ESP* one man saws with two handles, in various tooth configurations, cuz it's going to be mainly me playing with them.
 
Bladite said:
i'd like to get a dozen or so saws and try them out; *ESP* one man saws with two handles, in various tooth configurations, cuz it's going to be mainly me playing with them.
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I think you would be pleased with a one man saw with an auxiliary handle. Those are my most used saws. I have them in 36", 48" and 54" lengths. I would suggest that you take 48" as a minimum length. At that length the weight of the saw does the cutting -you just move it back and forth. The 36" saws require you to bear down on the auxiliary handle - wasted energy. I've used a 60" one-man and I thought it was more saw than I ever need in a one man saw. So I would stick to 48"-54".

Sharpening crosscuts is something of a black art. There are several good videos on youtube showing the process. The Warren Miller series is the best. The video from the Blue & White Crew guy is also quite good and much more condensed than the Warren Miller videos.
 
What you have is a saw set. Looking at the scale of it with spool, it is not for one or two man crosscut saw. It is much to small. It would be used for a carpenters saw.

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I have two lever type crosscut saw sets. They are about 15 inches long. I'll have to take some pictures of them soon.

Tom
 
halfaxe said:
Yup a saw set. I have a box full around here somewhere. I picked them up for 2 or 3 dollars each over the years. I used to find Disston saws for $5 too but they are getting scarce as axes.
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There is over 800 used Disstons saws for sale on Ebay, and over 1700 used axes, so not too many people are having trouble finding them.

Disston was probably the largest USA hand-saw manufacturer for a long time. If I go to a junk shop that has a pile of old saws some of them are always going to be Disstons.

In contrast, if you look on Ebay for a Harvey Peace wood saw, you will be lucky to see more than a handful for sale, a much better use of the word "scarce".

I mentioned how this forum should have a section for hand-saws a while ago, and the administrator that addressed my opinion did not seem to be interested, they said to put threads on saws into other general sections of the forum. Saws do have blades though, and so do chisels and many other hand tools that do not have a specific section here. If this forum does not give enough attention to certain categories of bladed tools, then other places will spring up on the internet that do......
 
gben said:
There is over 800 used Disstons saws for sale on Ebay, and over 1700 used axes, so not too many people are having trouble finding them.

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I know there are a lot of Disstons around, just not many $5 Disstons. Same with axe heads. Tons still around, but tougher to find good $2 heads. Everybody checks ebay before they set any price.
 
Square_peg said:
I think you would be pleased with a one man saw with an auxiliary handle. Those are my most used saws. I have them in 36", 48" and 54" lengths. I would suggest that you take 48" as a minimum length. At that length the weight of the saw does the cutting -you just move it back and forth. The 36" saws require you to bear down on the auxiliary handle - wasted energy. I've used a 60" one-man and I thought it was more saw than I ever need in a one man saw. So I would stick to 48"-54".

Sharpening crosscuts is something of a black art. There are several good videos on youtube showing the process. The Warren Miller series is the best. The video from the Blue & White Crew guy is also quite good and much more condensed than the Warren Miller videos.
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i'll probably end up with a set of sizes, 36 inches is pretty common... 48 and 54 would be cool too

and of course, different kinds of teeth, esp the long kind

just need to find the right kinds of tools to sharpen these guys properly :D

Warren Miller eh? ... Thanks.
 
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