Formal Introductions new maker

ashwinearl

Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider
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Hi everyone,
*warning- picture intensive*

I wanted to formally introduce myself after being here many years but only recently returning tho the craft and jumping in the deep end. My first name is Ashwin, middle name Earl. My handle has been ashwinearl as long as I can remember on email and forums.

Unlike many here, I don’t hunt, fish, shoot, practice martial arts, or am much of an outdoorsman outside of mountain biking/cycling. The fact is, I struggle to explain my desire to make knives. When I tell people I make knives, after that first question of, “like forged in fire,” I get that surprised look and statement, “You make knives”. It is that weird hobby that your wife talks about quizzically. She doesn’t get it but tolerates it very well from the grinder noise, dirty pants/hands, to tempering knives in the toaster oven.

At the fundamental level, I just like the craft. There is some brain chemical that is released when working and completing a knife and a sheath that exceeds that of past hobbies, like woodworking. The act of taking some raw materials that alone are meaningless and creating something tangible is an amazing feeling. Making something real and functional that has the potential for some legacy is compelling. The journey of learning and developing techniques is going to be never ending. Frustrating for sure, but rewarding.

I think the first step towards this path was in 1989 with a drive to learn about sharpening. In those days of libraries, I came across John Jurantich’s book. Somehow, that led to articles and books about knife making, like Tim McCreight, The first Barney/Loveless book, and David Boye’s book. I made a handful over the years with a hacksaw, files and sandpaper. That led to going to some knife shows and starting a modest collection for a little bit.

The process was so laborious, I dropped it for awhile. I took a basic class at the Montgomery Community College in 2008 with real 2x72 grinders. Unfortunately, I didn’t leverage that excitement by getting a belt grinder and continuing to develop skills. While I didn’t make much, as a researcher and searcher at heart, I have been collecting information from the forums, blogs, books for years. I’ve got pages bookmarked and posts copy/pasted from a decade ago.

This winter, I told myself I had to get back into something creative. Here in upstate NY, I really needed something to get me through the winter. It had been years since making something either a knife or woodworking. I’d just been moving my tools from house to house. In 2014, I'd actually come across one of those rare craigslist 2x72 grinders. It was a work-in-progress grinder-in-box with an ugly rattle can paint job and several holes tapped off center. For the next 4 years, I proceeded to move it around from corner to corner of the basement. This January, I started working on it and got it running a few months later. The expensive slide into materials, supplies, and equipment started and I cringe when I look at the receipts.

I started with a jig and couldn’t even do that. With frustration mounting, I just decided to free-hand and accept that I would burn up steel and belts. I’m making progress, and am slowly feeling some fleeting confidence. I had a bad experience with a heat treating service, and good one with another. This was sort of a blessing in disguise, as it prompted me to make my own baby forge, research and try heat treating. This is opening up another journey can of worms.

This community is another driver for any success. It is such a wonderful place where information is shared freely and encouragement is the norm. I would appreciate feedback on design, execution. The question of selling is on my mind as well. Are these good enough? Should I just give them away and wait till I develop better fit/finish.

My goals for knife making are
  • Maintain momentum. I have a habit of going whole hog on something and then dropping it. This has been one thing that I’ve returned to over a long period, so am hopeful it will continue
  • Focus on the fundamentals. Plunge lines, symmetry, edge geometry, removing lines from previous grits, gaps in handles, basic fit/finish
  • Try Ferric chloride etch and tumble finish
  • Try tapered tangs
  • Make a slip joint
  • Make a liner lock
  • Make a kitchen knife
  • Develop my own designs. Currently, I typically take a picture I like, hold a paper up to the monitor and trace it, then modify from there
  • Learn more, and develop better heat treating with some better temperature control
  • Improve sheath making, like using a chisel and awl instead of drill press. Try Kydex
  • Slowly build my equipment, like a small wheel holder, and disc grinder
  • Sell some. A second income is not the main driver, but it would be nice to offset the cost of supplies. Making something by hand that someone feels willing to spend their hard earned money on is an honor I strive to.
Thanks for listening and thank you for the community. Comments, suggestions appreciated. Here are some pictures. Steels range from 1084, 15N20, 80CRV2, 8670 that I have treated myself, and O1 and 440C that I have sent out.

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I, too, have had a lifelong habit of picking up hobbies and dropping them. I think knifemaking sticks with me because of the endless challenge and variation. I think the past has just been a journey to find the one good hobby, and is not indicative of some looming date of quitting. I think this is important to think through since fear of losing interest can impact decisions on getting certain pieces of equipment, or learning new processes, that could ultimately help enrich and cultivate interest in the hobby.

As far as selling knives, i am just now getting where people actually will carry a knife i made and use it over some of their bought knives. Partly due to the fact i made it, and they know me. Would a stranger do the same? I dont know. I was whittling down at the courthouse a few weekends ago and some old guy came and sat with me while his wife shopped and i handed him a knife and he whittled a while before i told him i made it. He seemed genuinely shocked and really liked it so i gave it to him. I may be ready to sell but personally i dont feel like i am where i want to be yet.
 
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Where in upstate NY are you?

I think you are doing very well. There are some fit and finish issues but that is something that will come with time and practice. Your designs look fine and the overall craftsmanship is pretty good. You definitely have what it takes. There is no rule that says you have to make exquisitely designed or finished pieces. This craft will be rewarding at whatever level you choose to take it. Just do the best you can at whatever level that is. If you are copying the designs of other makers and making significant changes that is fine. Copying the work of others has been the way to learn for centuries. If you are copying someone's design pretty closely you may want to give that person credit. If you are confident in the heat treatment I would say you are ready, if not for selling, at least to start gifting them to people who will use them. Start getting feedback from people who will put your knives to the test and give you honest reviews. You can use that information to confirm a job well done or to improve your designs, ergonomics, geometry, heat treatment, fit and finish etc. moving forward.
 
You're in the right place for sure.

My only recommendation as a non-maker would be to keep pictures of or actual work oldest to newest so you can go back and watch your progression/evolution over time. In my 2.5 years on BF I've watched makers evolve, blossom, and transform their craft in a way one could barely see "them" in their previous items. In some cases I like their work more in other less depending on the direction travelled, but great for the makers regardless.
 
I can echo your sentiments about being a collector of hobbies. But besides cooking and gardening non have stuck. Though I have always been interested in the process of making knives and swords. This is the first one I have invested heavily in in time and money. I still have a long way to go and love every minute of it.

I really like that mini forge, do you mind explaining its construction a bit?
 
Welcome. You seem to be of on a good start.

Work on fit and finish, as all new makers need to improve that.

Instead of trying a lot of different styles, pick one or two and concentrate on perfecting those.

One big issue I see on some of your photos is your reliance on the epoxy to be the prime item holding the handle together. Use pins, bolts, or rivets to do the holding, and epoxy to do the sealing. Also, try not to get too creative in pin placement. There is a good reason an evenly placed two or three pin arrangement is used.
 
I really like that mini forge, do you mind explaining its construction a bit?

I followed the instructions here in general: https://www.bladeforums.com/posts/17010894/
I purchased a small burner from Atlas Forges, the author of that thread, to use with a propane tank. In hindsight, that burner is probably overkill for my current need of heat treating small knives.

There are other instructions for forges that can achieve better temperature control in the stickies.

My temperature control is hot or too hot. I read in a another thread, someone who has a similar baby forge and he uses a muffle pipe along with switching to a smaller torch, like one from home supply store, after it has reached high temperature. That allowed him to maintain a relatively constant temperature to perform some soaking.

I am going to get a stainless steel muffler pipe from Pep boys and try the above tip and switch to a smaller torch. I got the digital multimeter and thermo couple that Atlas sells too, so can get a general idea of temperature.
 
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