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Hello. I've been lurking here for a while.

I have a khuk that was made from one of the k houses imported here by a guy named Mccurdy which is also the name on the blade. I've put it through some chopping work in the yard and it is pretty tough. Outside of the horn grip on the handle getting loose (which I've hammered back in with a ball end) The knife was barely scratched. I want to compare its build and quality to HI. The comparison is also an excuse for me to finally buckle down and get one.. I was thinking m43 or Ang Khol but some of the blades I've seen in the recent deals of the day make me wish I registered sooner.
 
my first khuk was also a McCurdy. I have the brass guard rosewood model. it is a great user, im allowing mine to patina naturally and have used it to take down 6" thick trees and open cans and all sorts of stuff. its scuffed and scraped but i dont care. im holding out on an HI khuk, until i see some BONECUTTEERRRSSSS! if i dont see one i like or miss it on the DOTD, ill prob just go with the middleweight champion, the M43
 
I also have a McCurdy. The difference between that one and an HI isn't something people notice right away but, after you handle a few it is like night and day.

Think of it like this; imagine if you had a small/med size phillips head screw to take out in a tight spot. The tool choices are, a sledge hammer, a large heavy 16" screw driver, dynamite, a cordless 22v pro-hammer impact drill or a 6 inch phillips head screw driver. All will get the job done but when you get to the last one, the 6 inch screw driver, the one that fits, it like a duck to water.

Get a good M43, Bonecutter, ASTK, or Ang Khola to start and you will know how a duck feels when it hits the water for the first time. Don't get me wrong, the kukri you have is very nice and I liked dealing with John a lot. But they follow the same pattern that you see in the "Houses" (the McCurdy is made by KHHI), they are very big, very thick, very overbuilt kukris. That sounds like a good thing until you have to swing it for a while! And when you realize that a kukri with the proper weight and size will do the same thing and not kill your arm and hand, its hard to go back.

Good luck on your search. I think you have come to the right place.
 
the pro for me on my mccurdy is the handle size. if i were to get a tora or traditional styled kukri, i run the risk of my hand being wwwaaaayyyyy to big for it, as i am 6 foot 5, the bigger and thicker the handle, the better control i will have over it. the only con i found was that the tapered full tang is not 100% aligned with the blade, its slightly crooked and the fullers are uneven when you look at the spine, you can see they dont meet at the same spot. it doesnt affect the functions, but i nit picked it to hell when i first got mine. is this common among HI khuks too? i understand handmade items are typically flawed aesthetically.

i would LOVE a 22" or 18" bonecutter, CS Graves's looks bad ass, and the one on youtube where the dude cut a keyboard in half was nice too, but i would want a villager finish on the blade. im just gonna beat it to hell anyways. a nice bonecutter and a busse gladius...do want.
 
Welcome mobileninja!!
As this contains content from another manufacturer, i must move it to the Cantina.
 
Thanks for the replies folks and thanks for the welcome Karda. I did notice after chopping down a few small 3-4" or so diameter trees growing on my hill, my arm was almost dead. I thought I was just out of shape but I do remember the weight of the Mccurdy was literally weighing my arm down towards the end of the second tree. I purchased John's second model with the raw unpolished blade and brass. I did notice the tapered full tang was slightly uneven and the carved horn wasn't a flush fit and had to be compensated by some sort of epoxy but my the fuller wasn't too off. I nitpicked it for about 10 minutes and decided that hand made items like these aren't going to look exactly perfect just as close to as possible. Which I think is now my preference. The khuk shows character.
 
I can relate a little to just about every story told on this thread. For starters, I, too, pored over a lot of manufacturers before settling on HI as my source, and then I had to go over a bunch of models before I settled on what I wanted!

I know what you mean about weight, in more ways than one. Before receiving my beloved "Rufus" (satisal-handled M43), I'd farted around with machetes, and been surprised at how tired I got swinging them. I expected more of the same when I first got Rufus (who weighs in at a solid 2 lbs.), and said so openly. But I turned out to be wrong, even after hacking down a couple-dozen ligustrum trees with it. Hell, I even put it to good use in the kitchen, a couple of times!

I learned, subsequently, about both sizing and "desirable blemishes," as well. First, Auntie "gifted" me a Salyan, made by Bura himself. Beautiful as it is, there are still some slips and gaps in some of the engraving, possibly from The Stroke. But in a way, that's proof of hand craftsmanship, and certainly a better conversation-starter!

Some time after THAT, I also got a neighbor's antique, a traditional-sized piece with oodles of decoration. On both that one, and the Salyan, I found what it was to hold a small handle: so small, in fact, that my forefinger was over the cho! It gets you thinking.
 
Nice to see someone else here who is normal sized.

its not that we are too big, everyone else is too small.

I just noticed another flaw with my mccurdy khuk. the blade is slightly warped just below the sweet spot. i assume this is from the heat treatment. hopefully my future bonecutter/m43 does not have this. i would be quite upset. but i guess that is what you expect when every blade you owned for years was assembled by machines and laser cut from billet steel. my wallet cries every time i see a sweet bonecutter and when i drool over the busse gladius's for sale.
 
im holding out on an HI khuk, until i see some BONECUTTEERRRSSSS!

Good to see someone spell it RIGHT for a change. :D:thumbup:

the one on youtube where the dude cut a keyboard in half was nice too, but i would want a villager finish on the blade. im just gonna beat it to hell anyways. a nice bonecutter and a busse gladius...do want.

Ah, that one belonged to Il Bruche, and got sold to Warty. T'was mighty!
 
the pro for me on my mccurdy is the handle size. if i were to get a tora or traditional styled kukri, i run the risk of my hand being wwwaaaayyyyy to big for it, as i am 6 foot 5, the bigger and thicker the handle, the better control i will have over it. the only con i found was that the tapered full tang is not 100% aligned with the blade, its slightly crooked and the fullers are uneven when you look at the spine, you can see they dont meet at the same spot. it doesnt affect the functions, but i nit picked it to hell when i first got mine. is this common among HI khuks too? i understand handmade items are typically flawed aesthetically.

i would LOVE a 22" or 18" bonecutter, CS Graves's looks bad ass, and the one on youtube where the dude cut a keyboard in half was nice too, but i would want a villager finish on the blade. im just gonna beat it to hell anyways. a nice bonecutter and a busse gladius...do want.

its not that we are too big, everyone else is too small.

I just noticed another flaw with my mccurdy khuk. the blade is slightly warped just below the sweet spot. i assume this is from the heat treatment. hopefully my future bonecutter/m43 does not have this. i would be quite upset. but i guess that is what you expect when every blade you owned for years was assembled by machines and laser cut from billet steel. my wallet cries every time i see a sweet bonecutter and when i drool over the busse gladius's for sale.

Welcome Sean,

I am very much like you, I am anal and picky as hell and expect perfection, but with these handmade items expect some variations. I've probably seen fewer than a dozen "perfect" kukris. Almost always the variations don't ever affect function though. (I'm also "normal sized myself, at 6' 8" and 300+ lbs {don't ask! :D} with large hands.)

The one thing that used to drive me nuts, that I could never really do anything about were sloppily cut handle rings. The blade would be great and the rings were just so poorly done that you know they were just phoned in. On a couple I couldn't stand looking at them so sanded them off. That was years ago though and I haven't seen it on several newer kukris, and of course that isn't an issue on M43's and other smooth handled models. They are hand cut, so I expect to see some drifting, but not 3/8" difference between the cuts from one side of the handle to the other.

I have two McCurdy's and both mine are flawless; I know what you're saying but see no blade wavering. I can tell you on HI's you are much more likely to see some wave in the blade on the big flat blades, like Samshers, Foxy Folly's, Dui Chirras, Tin Chirras, etc., than you will on the WWII's and AK's or other standard blades. When you think about it the kami has a huge red hot flat piece of steel and is hitting it with a hammer on an anvil buried in the ground that is about 3" on a side. It is extremely difficult to not have some wavering in the steel when the blade is not only long, but wide and flat as well, with significant distal taper. I would need a power hammer and a huge flat base to do half as good a job as they do by hand every day.

Sometimes as well you will see the handle turned "out" a bit in relation to the blade, but again, you usually have to look at it from the underside (edge up) to notice it, and it normally doesn't affect usage.

What I like about Tirtha is that he doesn't seem to have any of these problems, and despite being productive as hell doesn't seem to have issues even Bura used to have from time to time. I've only been back for a while, but the guy impresses the heck out of me.

BTW, on a new kukri I go through the following 12 pt. inspection ritual; (I have a feeling you can relate: ;) )

1) Turn the blade upside down and see if the line of the edge lines up with the pommel. Is the pommel out of line to the right or the left?

2) While sighting down the edge facing up, is the edge dead straight? Or does it have a wave anywhere along the length? On rare extreme cases with edge waver the handle will actually turn in your hand when you chop, which means you wasted your money.

3) Hold it normally and sight down the handle at both sides of the formed bolster. Is the bolster angled the same on both the left / right sides? And on a Chiruwa handle is one handle slab longer than the other where it meets the bolster?

4) Is there a clean transition between the handle and the bolster metal on the front and the pommel cap at the rear? Or are there gaps there where the handle was fitted?

5) On a chiruwa tang handle is the handle material below the metal tang, or was the tang properly blended to the handle? Are the handle pins also properly fitted, or are there gaps where they go through the material?

6) Is the cho / kaudi properly offset from the bolster, or is it 2" up the blade?

7) Is the sword of shiva cut straight on both sides of the blade? And if inlaid, was it done neatly, and if inlaid was it subsequently over-buffed out?

8) As you mentioned, if it is a fullered blade, are the fullers basically the same on both sides of the blade? Or does one go an inch or more beyond the other?

9) If there are handle rings or handle carvings, are they straight, and are they not over-buffed out? (I have a unique Sher S-1 Karda with a ton of cross-hatched lines laboriously carved in the horn handle, and most of them were then buffed off... :confused:)

10) Is there excess laha squeezed out of the bolster and onto either the handle or the blade?

11) If the knife has a guard, is it even top, bottom and sides? Nothing like a crooked piece of brass to ruin the look of a nice handle and blade.

12) Finally, is the scabbard properly fitted to the _blade_ and not to the bolster if it is an habaki design? That was a problem for a while, that I think was overtaken by design changes several years ago, not to mention a new sarki who has a very nice product. Fitting to the bolster is also dangerous as can be, and can easily lead to a chunk being taken out of your foot when the kukri comes hurtling out of the scabbard. :eek:

After all that I take a file or hardened edge burnisher and run it along the edge and try to get an idea of how well the edge is hardened. If the file skates and the blade rings you've got a good idea of how hard it is, as opposed to the file dragging on soft dead steel.

I hope you get the Bonecutter you're looking for, and again, welcome to the forum. It's good to have another "picky SOB" here...;)

Norm

P.S. If you ever use your blade it will automatically end up with the "Villager finish" you mention on the blade, unless you want to buff it back to full polish every time. I just take WD-40 and a green scotch-brite pad to them after chopping, and it neatly gets the scuffs out of the blade and leaves a nice even satin finish.
 
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I was also very anal at first. I blame it on CNC and such. My first HI WWII drove me nuts for a few minutes. It was my first hand forged blade. I looked over every inch and saw little imperfections (it was a blem). I shortly learned to re-calibrate my brain. Once I learned to evaluate these blades for what they are, hand made tools as opposed to paintings or space shuttle parts, I quickly began to truly appreciate them. I would still be turned off by a crooked blade or major flaw, but really haven't dealt with that. I picked up a sheathless CAK last year and it penetrated the box and bent the tip during shipping. I was pretty upset at first, but it was a great deal and well worth keeping no matter the damage. I decided to try to fix it. I'm not very handy, so this was a leap for me, confidence wise. I easily reshaped the tip and am very happy with how it turned out. This experience started me on a new confidence. I realized I could fix all sorts of small problems with a khuk. I had the edge on my WWII and M-43 fold or wave during initial use. This was limited to a very small area. I steeled/burnished them out and did some sharpenening. This fixed the problem totally. Turns out this isn't too uncommon with high polished blades. Again, this gave me a lot of confidence in my ability to take care of my khuks and other knives. I'm glad I had to deal with these issues. I now look differently at my khuks and feel much better about using them to the full extent. I'm no longer afraid I'll hurt them and I really appreciate the feel of something hand made, which seems a rare quality in these times. BTW, I'm a few inches over six foot also:). I think you'll enjoy HI khuks very much. If you did get one with issues that troubled you, Auntie will make it right. It seems her policy isn't just getting you the product you ordered, but making you happy. It's hard to find someone unhappy with HI around here. Take care.
 
Good to see someone spell it RIGHT for a change. :D:thumbup:



Ah, that one belonged to Il Bruche, and got sold to Warty. T'was mighty!

i learned the spelling form some guy on youtube that murders hundreds of pumpkins for his own sick pleasure ;) indeed, it is an animal! i will probably go for a citrus patina on whatever model i get (cutter or m43), just to help prevent rust and give it a nice antiqued look, similar to yours. then protect it with some rem oil. C.S Graves, about how much did your sgt khadka bonecutter run you?

Norm, i did the inspection as you listed (did something similar when i first got it too, just less detailed) and the tang drifts a few degrees to the right when looking down the spine from the butt of the knife. i have a neo-classical khuk so no cho or sword of shiva (making a KLO, i know, but its still sweet) and the wave i mentioned in the blade is very very shallow. everything else is pretty spot on, the guard is nice and pretty straight. i have used it to baton, chop, and remove about a 7-8" branch of a hard as hell white oak tree right at the base. never had it roll or anything unless my grip was getting lazy.

i too do not like the handle ring, and will probably sand and file mine down if i get a bonecutter and not the m43.
another reason i like the bonecutter is because so much steel does not have to be removed, it looks like they just bent the spring and sharpened it and added a chiruwa handle. if anything, i can run down to harbor freight and pick up a small belt sander to fix any small grind issues, major ones or a twisted chiruwa tang would warrant a return though.

i hope to see some sweet bonecutters soon too, i liked the 16" model i saw awhile ago, but its just too small for me, 18-22" would be perfect. keep the stock sheath for display and around the house and heat form and cut a PVC sheath for field use.

18-22" hi bonecutter + busse gladius = seas of decapitated zombies :cool::thumbup:
 
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I must be the shortest guy in this forum..

lol, being short isnt all bad, my wife is only 5 foot and when she wants to hide her leftovers from me, she pushes them to the back of the bottom shelf of the fridge and i usually dont notice them...until she forgets and i smell them a few weeks later.
 
the pro for me on my mccurdy is the handle size. if i were to get a tora or traditional styled kukri, i run the risk of my hand being wwwaaaayyyyy to big for it, as i am 6 foot 5, the bigger and thicker the handle, the better control i will have over it.

Nice to see someone else here who is normal sized.

Looks like another candidate for our Viking club, eh?

BTW, Sean, I'm the short (5'10") fire hydrant kind. The doctors said I was going to be 6'5", and probably would have been, as my sitting height is the same as my friends that are that tall. My legs and arms went for the short and strong type instead.

Anyway, I have huge hands as well -- over 4" across the palm, not the palm and thumb like some measure, just the palm. Most HI kukri have been built for real sized people and their handles feel great. The only problem I had was with a Dui Chirra, where even though it was 22" long, the handle was so small, I could only grip it one way, and not use it well. But beasts like the Ang Khola, Bonecutter, etc don't have that problem, provided you get one at least 18" long (they scale the whole thing).
 
18-22" hi bonecutter + busse gladius = seas of decapitated zombies :cool::thumbup:[/QUOTE said:
I've never seen a BC made over 18". If I could just choose one it would be the 16" as a perfect combo of utility versus weight. If one was made in 22" it would be too heavy for practical use IMO. (But, it sure would be fun. :D)

Norm
 
Looks like another candidate for our Viking club, eh?

BTW, Sean, I'm the short (5'10") fire hydrant kind. The doctors said I was going to be 6'5", and probably would have been, as my sitting height is the same as my friends that are that tall. My legs and arms went for the short and strong type instead.

Anyway, I have huge hands as well -- over 4" across the palm, not the palm and thumb like some measure, just the palm. Most HI kukri have been built for real sized people and their handles feel great. The only problem I had was with a Dui Chirra, where even though it was 22" long, the handle was so small, I could only grip it one way, and not use it well. But beasts like the Ang Khola, Bonecutter, etc don't have that problem, provided you get one at least 18" long (they scale the whole thing).

i have an 80" reach, about 3 3/4" wide hands (had to get them measured for MMA gloves) and weigh about 280 lbs down from 340. the main guy i train with is built similar to you, but about 6'2". funny you should mention vikings, my great grandparents were danish immigrants.

the dui chirra that was up a bit ago looked awesome. but the handle was wayyyy too narrow looking for me. its almost a 2 hander designed for short stacks with little hands. good to know that wont be an issue with the larger knives. i like the super CAK too. looks like a good, heavy use tool.

Himalayan Imports 22" Bonecutter VS Keyboard
^type that into youtube Norm, good for a laugh. but that thing is huge!
 
...But beasts like the Ang Khola, Bonecutter, etc don't have that problem, provided you get one at least 18" long (they scale the whole thing).

Here's an example of scaling up the size.

These are both Ganga Ram Specials, which are similar to Bonecutters but without the full chiruwa tang (generally resulting in less overall weight and a weight forward balance for good chopping).

Top is 18" by Tirtha.
Bottom is 15" by Rajkumar.

Note both the differences in handle length as well as width (girth).
The 15" is actually a bit small for my hands.
The 18" feels great.

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i learned the spelling form some guy on youtube that murders hundreds of pumpkins for his own sick pleasure ;) indeed, it is an animal! i will probably go for a citrus patina on whatever model i get (cutter or m43), just to help prevent rust and give it a nice antiqued look, similar to yours. then protect it with some rem oil. C.S Graves, about how much did your sgt khadka bonecutter run you?

If I recall, mine was about $195. I've seen comparable sized ones priced for less occasionally on some Deals o' the Day. That's why we keep our eyes peeled when a certain model gets our interest... one never knows when the chance to score or "shark" one will come along. :eek:

Citrus could do the trick. Heated vinegar too. Andrew Colglazier used white vinegar on my "Fugly" AK Bowie and it's got a nice dark grey sheen to it.
 
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