Fox Suru

[silvaticus]

Had to disassemble and clean this one from the factory lube. Breaking it in completely dry it became sooo smooth. Hard to beat as my favorite knife in 2019.

She's a beauty! Where did you get one without the holes?

 

[niru]

From an exclusive run sold at https://urbanedcsupply.com/

I am afraid this version was completely sold. But they still have a very nice all black one.

 

[silvaticus]

From an exclusive run sold at https://urbanedcsupply.com/

I am afraid this version was completely sold. But they still have a very nice all black one.

Thanks!

 

[BladeScout]

Not to my taste. Seems counterproductive to have a giga choil in a short blade.
Not keen on the swiss cheesed version of the handle. Holes look haphazard.

 

[aicolainen]

I'm considering the CF version, but I'm not keen on ball bearings. I found out the titanium version is running on bearings, but haven't been able to find any info on the CF version. Could someone who`s already got their hands on the CF version please shed some light on this little, but oh so important detail?

 

[Mo2]

I'm considering the CF version, but I'm not keen on ball bearings. I found out the titanium version is running on bearings, but haven't been able to find any info on the CF version. Could someone who`s already got their hands on the CF version please shed some light on this little, but oh so important detail?

The cf version is not that pocket friendly due to the peel ply carbon fiber right where the clip is. Rather annoying. On the plus side it can be wet sanded to make it smoother but should be done with safety gear cause of how caustic cf is to the human body.

I cannot tell you if it's bearings or not.

 

[aicolainen]

Mo2 I'm aware of the rough cf finish, but that's not an issue for me. Thanks anyway ;-)

 

[kreisler]

This version of the Suru is just perfect...

So what's the exact weight in grams of the perfect version, measured by yourself?

The seller just finished a 4 weeks Surufest with 5 drops spaced 1 week apart. There are quite a few units left, obviously all Suru collectors are saturated by now, the market is only so vast. I am not a collector at all, i would want my Suru to be a user.

 

[niru]

It is 96 gramms. Feels just right.

 

[kreisler]

you measured the 96g? oic
yee sounds plausible for the all titanium solid scales variant, thanks!

 

[kreisler]

13. Fox Suru - CHEESY peelply-CF scale + CHEESY Ti framelock scale, blue Ti hardware, satin M390 blade, "85g", sku:01FX845 sku:FX526TCBL, 188eur, in stock
14. Fox Suru - CHEESY peelply-CF scale + CHEESY Ti framelock scale, bronze Ti hardware, satin M390 blade, "85g", sku:01FX844 sku:FX526TCB, 188eur, in stock

That's exactly why i had set the weight specs in quotes, because i doubted them from the beginning!

Measured by myself, the actual weight of variant#13 and variant#14 is 72g cha! That's a measly 4grams more than the Delica 4 M390. With the 2019 halloween season discount i paid notably less than the 188€, which constitutes half of what the Combat Wilson Suru would cost from the geman Wilson distributor (ITA→USA→EU, 375€lmao). Finally i could, as a knife shopper, profit from decent pricing for premium quality knives, simply because they're made in de italy and not de taiwan or de golden colorado earth. Likewise i don't expect to see these two lovely Fox new standard catalog items offered in US stores like bladehq or knifecenter because of the high pricing (due to import ITA→USA, estimated 379US$ list, 285US$ street) and because they can't compete with the popularity of US brands/US knives; i don't believe that US retailers will pick these two up (they were released in Oct/2019 in EU): if i lived in the States and had 285US$ to burn, i'd consider a US brand knife not a Fox.

However EU shoppers looking for an alternative to the Techno 2 (category: small stout knife, light weight for actual 24/7 everyday carry, more premium materials and superior build quality than CRKT Pilar) should definitely look into the FX526TCBL (or FX526TCB), if importing an urban or wilson Suru from the USA is out of question (375€ wtf??).

i could probably write more 4780 blah on my FX526TCBL unit but afaik the Suru isn't a popular knife model on bladeforums, so it would be of little general interest . Needless to mention, i have retired my Techno 2 in favor of this cheesy Suru and will not buy a Pilar ever!! — The Pilar with Carbon Fibre scale and D2 blade was long available at bladehq but would have cost me 50$ (knife) + 50$ (bladehq shipping to EU, cheapest tariff) + 35$ (import duties because of TruDeclare™), so total 135$ for an effing Pilar?, no thanks!! Comparing Pilar against Suru, no doubt that my Suru (at a slightly higher cost than Pilar's 135$) is so much better than the Pilar in every respect!!

Btw with 285US$ available in my pockets the Giantmouse ACE Biblio Titanium, an equally unpopular model over at bladehq (they had 15pcs in stock by Aug 2019 and didn't sell a single unit since!) and in some way related to the Suru, was also in contention; it is available from geman sellers at 267€, which seems overpriced imho (same story, ITA→USA→EU). From my titanium experience, in a coldish work environment titanium scales wouldn't stop feeling cold in my naked hands and I fear that the slightly bigger size wouldn't let me actually edc it 24/7 in my jeans pants, especially when i sit at the PC: i clip my small stout knives "horizontally" in my pants pocket, thus i absolutely don't feel them (as you could imagine) when i sit on a chair. The length of small stout knives is about the width of my pants pocket. Since the Giantmouse is longer and wider, similar to my Delica4, i wouldn't be able to carry it horizontally. So i'd have to clip it "vertically" ("tip-up carry" implies exactly that!) like everyone else does, but that's not my preferred way of 24/7-edc'ing a knife. Everyone in the community hails my PM2 (i have a G10 version and a Flytanium Ti version) as the optimal EDC folder, and i get their reasoning!, but personally i never felt comfortable edc'ing such a knife size actual 24/7 ymmv. Anyway, the Giantmouse lost out to its smaller cousin, Suru the 'Littlemouse'. Coincidentally, Marcin Slysz's original creation of the Techno is called Mouse, too. Same animal family, same-same!

 

[kreisler]

Maybe important to note, the all carbon fibre (CF) scales of the 2018-produced FX526CF (likewise FX526CFBL, 58g) had a very grippy/sharp/deep rough finish with a 'low resolution' 3-D texture. One can see the 3-D texture clearly in youtubes and the unboxing reviewers didn't know what to make of it, because on the one hand the scales were very grippy (not a bad thing!), on the other hand the scales would tear up your jeans fabric eventually. Most reviewers didn't like it or would have preferred the standard smooth shiny CF finish!

Now the carbon fibre show scale of the 2019-produced FX526TCB (likewise FX526TCBL, 72g) has a less grippy/less sharp/less deep finish with a much higher resolution 3-D texture (about twice as high), and it cannot be called "rough" a bit anymore! The harmless texture is so fine (double resolution, not deep) that it basically lost its grippiness.

Obviously, Fox Knives made that production change to achieve a more likable CF scale; maybe they had received negative feedback from the 2018 buyers and decided to improve the texture from the original grippy rough to the now harmless fine one on all their CF scale Surus where the underlying CF pattern (under the textured finish) can be viewed more easily, depending on the viewing angle:

Personally, i would steer clear of the 58g model and get the shown 72g model instead, for the 14g difference you get a full-blown 5068-6543 cheesy titanium frame lock scale which looks imho better than a CF frame lock scale: