Framelock VS Linerlock

Why does anyone care how strong either is? If your hitting the spine with something you should reconsider your tool. I prefere framelocks for their feel.
Although it really doesn't matter.
 
tnt-user said:
Why does anyone care how strong either is? If your hitting the spine with something you should reconsider your tool. I prefere framelocks for their feel.
Although it really doesn't matter.
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I'll requote myself because I agree.

harkamus said:
For the most part I tend to use my knife with the edge making contact to what I'm cutting. Actually make that all the time and not just for the most part. I don't see how if a lock even failed, how the blade would close up on you unless...you're cutting with the spine, in which case you should probably not use knives again...ever.
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Every time I see a thread like this I say I'll never get involved with one of those again. Buy, here I am.

Bottom line, liner-locks are for people who don't need to worry about putting much stress on thier knife. These people believe that knives are only for cutting. And in truth they don't need any type of lock at all on thier knives.

You can tell me that knives aren't for stabbing or prying, that it's abuse, blaw, blaw, blaw. The reality is that there are folding knives that can be stabbed into solid objects full force without closing and that can be used to pry. And they're not all overgrown monster knives.

I don't now if my balls are too small, or if I haven't killed enough brain cells yet, but you wont hear about me doing any stabbing with a liner-lock. -Something I've done with frame-locks, lock-backs, and axis locks.

You are wrong to believe that manufacturer, or liner thickness makes much difference either. I've watched liners fail from most major companies and in thicknesses up to the Microtech Micro-bar.

If you're happy with having a liner-lock, good for you. But if you truly believe you have the same thing as a well made frame-lock (or axis or backlock) you are mistaken. The liner-lock in general is a fragile lock.
 
Where's my Kettle Corn and microwave? :D

In all seriousness, I like the feel of a good liner lock - a solid grip all around with a small to no cutout for the liner release. Along the lines of a Kershaw Blur or Emerson Knives. I like that full grip that you get with a liner lock, but I would trust a well made frame locked knife more.
 
Siggyhk said:
Every time I see a thread like this I say I'll never get involved with one of those again. Buy, here I am.

Bottom line, liner-locks are for people who don't need to worry about putting much stress on thier knife. These people believe that knives are only for cutting. And in truth they don't need any type of lock at all on thier knives.

You can tell me that knives aren't for stabbing or prying, that it's abuse, blaw, blaw, blaw. The reality is that there are folding knives that can be stabbed into solid objects full force without closing and that can be used to pry. And they're not all overgrown monster knives.

I don't now if my balls are too small, or if I haven't killed enough brain cells yet, but you wont hear about me doing any stabbing with a liner-lock. -Something I've done with frame-locks, lock-backs, and axis locks.

You are wrong to believe that manufacturer, or liner thickness makes much difference either. I've watched liners fail from most major companies and in thicknesses up to the Microtech Micro-bar.

If you're happy with having a liner-lock, good for you. But if you truly believe you have the same thing as a well made frame-lock (or axis or backlock) you are mistaken. The liner-lock in general is a fragile lock.
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I think you should stop trusting locks and get yourself a good fixed blade :)
 
J's Knives-N-More said:
Where's my Kettle Corn and microwave? :D

In all seriousness, I like the feel of a good liner lock - a solid grip all around with a small to no cutout for the liner release. Along the lines of a Kershaw Blur or Emerson Knives. I like that full grip that you get with a liner lock, but I would trust a well made frame locked knife more.
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A man that shares the same mentality about that blasted cutout. :thumbup:

Personally, I hate skinny knives especially skinny knives with that finger cutout. I can't seem to get a good grip on the things.

Oh yea, here's a Warsteiner Dunkel to go along with that kettlecorn.
 
stabbed into solid objects full force without closing and that can be used to pry. And they're not all overgrown monster knives.

I don't now if my balls are too small, or if I haven't killed enough brain cells yet, but you wont hear about me doing any stabbing with a liner-lock. -Something I've done with frame-locks, lock-backs, and axis locks.
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So what I think I'm hearing is that you take Benchmade Axis Lock folder, and whatever brand framelock and lock-back folders (no really big folders), then you stab them full blast into solid objects? Like trees, rocks, walls, railroad ties, robots and such? Do you wear protective cut-proof gloves?

Get out the rubber hip boots....:)
 
Siggyhk said:
Every time I see a thread like this I say I'll never get involved with one of those again. Buy, here I am.

Bottom line, liner-locks are for people who don't need to worry about putting much stress on thier knife. These people believe that knives are only for cutting. And in truth they don't need any type of lock at all on thier knives.

You can tell me that knives aren't for stabbing or prying, that it's abuse, blaw, blaw, blaw. The reality is that there are folding knives that can be stabbed into solid objects full force without closing and that can be used to pry. And they're not all overgrown monster knives.

I don't now if my balls are too small, or if I haven't killed enough brain cells yet, but you wont hear about me doing any stabbing with a liner-lock. -Something I've done with frame-locks, lock-backs, and axis locks.

You are wrong to believe that manufacturer, or liner thickness makes much difference either. I've watched liners fail from most major companies and in thicknesses up to the Microtech Micro-bar.

If you're happy with having a liner-lock, good for you. But if you truly believe you have the same thing as a well made frame-lock (or axis or backlock) you are mistaken. The liner-lock in general is a fragile lock.
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Yeah... You shoulda stuck to your initial idea of not getting into threads like that.
I must have burned all my brain cells, since I've stabbed many liner locks (BM Nitrous Stryker, Military and a few more) into wood, hard plastic and many other, rather hard, surfaces.

Thickness and execution of the liner is extremely important, i don't know whatcha talking about...
You obviously are entitled to your opinion, and not educated enough to give a good reason for your preference, other than your prejudice.
 
Razorsharp1986, I want to respect your choice to use your knives as you see fit. Let me just say I feel you to be unwise or uneducated on what a liner-lock is and isn't capable of. I'm glad you've been lucky so far and hope that continues.

To me, the only joke here is the discussion of liner-locks on modern knives.
Yes, I've stabbed trees , 4x6s and even the occational car door as hard as I possibly could with folding knives. (I know, I'm a super-dupper ninja master. Or maybe just a wanna be.) Only part of a folder I ever broke when stabbing something was the tip.
These aren't things I do too often, but I've done them enough in the past to know that I'd fully trust some knives to do these things again.

I wont list all of the liner-locks I've had issues with, but they are many from multiple companies, multiple thickness, multiple price points, and multiple materials. In a perfect world I'v have videos of all the liner-lock issues I've had and seen. Unfortunately, all I have is my own personal experience. That may not be worth anything to you. -Sorry.

Stabbing solid things requires a well designed handle to go with a well designed lock for added saftey. A CQC-12, Chinook 2-3, and 806 all have great locks and great handles, and I've stabbed each into things hard.
Then you have a knife like the new frame-lock Military. To me, that doesn't make sense. The tip is very thin, and the handle isn't overly secure from sliding forward on it. I personally don't see why that knife needs a frame-lock as it's still basically just a cutter? I'm suprised they didn't just turn it into a slip-it. And yet, I'd still spend the extra money for the FL if I liked that knife. -Just in case.

As for fixed-blades, unfortunately they are an inconvenience and not socially exceptable most places or I'd carry one every day. But the good news is that knife companies are continuing to make folding knives and locks stronger ever year.

Then there are those companies still pumping out thier liner-locks. And lots of people have no problem buying them. Still, you have a lot of guys willing to spend more than the cost of the knife itself to have a custom frame-lock made. Lots for great designs out there, but with out dated locks. -A shame in my opinion.
 
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harkamus said:
A man that shares the same mentality about that blasted cutout. :thumbup:

Personally, I hate skinny knives especially skinny knives with that finger cutout. I can't seem to get a good grip on the things.

Oh yea, here's a Warsteiner Dunkel to go along with that kettlecorn.
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Ah! Here is a man with good taste in knives AND beer!:thumbup::cool:



Common Sense...The Rarest Of All Senses
 
I like Frame locks better, that said a fixed blade would be the best choice overall.
 
Wow!!
I did not think I would start a flame war my first day here. I too would carry a fixed blade if I could but I work for the Post Office and they have ZERO tolarence. Last Saturday they made one of the clerks (an other knife guy) give up his Harpy saying it was against the rules to have a knife on the work floor. He mentioned it to me on the sly as I was clocking in and I said " The Supervisor can have my knife when he pry's it out of HIS cold dead fingers." I just pulled up my Spyderco and let it fall into my pocket, out of sight out of mind.
 
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