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I say that pretty much guaranteed !
I bet he makes no where near the same amount of frame locks as liners.
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About $60 less and I'd be there on them.
Not too overpriced though; better prices than Striders.
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From what I have read the HD 7 and 12 are not in the 2008 catalog. It sounds as if the framelock knives are being done away with.
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The HDs are in an elevated price band but they still cost less than other high end frame locks. Some people just dont want to throw that much paper at a knife and that is absolutly fine, its their choice after all.
As to the HD being killed off.....Who knows
One minute there getting rid of the HDs then their not then they are, then there using ss/Ti liners then their not ???
Im getting a bit bord of the misinformation and constant speculation, since EKI dont even bother to modrate this forum in any way shape or form it hard to get exact info. with out actually e-mailing to asking them. Even then they seem to tell different people different things
Only time will tell i suppose :thumbup:
As to the HD being killed off.....Who knows
One minute there getting rid of the HDs then their not then they are, then there using ss/Ti liners then their not ???
Im getting a bit bord of the misinformation and constant speculation, since EKI dont even bother to modrate this forum in any way shape or form it hard to get exact info. with out actually e-mailing to asking them. Even then they seem to tell different people different things
Only time will tell i suppose :thumbup:
All I know is that I wont buy anymore linerlocking knives, from emerson or any other company. I would love a framelock emerson but I wish they would make it for more models. The price is a little more than I would like to spend but I would do it if they put it on the right knife. If framelocks are too expensive to sell at a better price, I would be cool with a lockback style, just no more liners.
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It's interesting how some companies keep making adjustments and others don't. As a former business man, I was taught to, stay ahead of the curve and give the customer what they want. This is all with-in reason, of course. I wish Ernie just would have Frame locked the CQC-7. Oh well.
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If you really want a particular model frame locked its not hard to get it converted.
It may cost a bit more by the time its all done and dusted but you will be getting the knife you want with the lock you want so its probably worth it.
Im going to be frame locking my TK mini7 when i get my Ti delivered, may do a Persian as well if it all goes smoothly
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It may cost a bit more by the time its all done and dusted but you will be getting the knife you want with the lock you want so its probably worth it.
Im going to be frame locking my TK mini7 when i get my Ti delivered, may do a Persian as well if it all goes smoothly
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Hay bro,
I do all my own work, I did contact STR to see if he could do one for me as i wanted to check out his handy work (many people have had good things to say about his convertions) but i got a "im full up for 3 months" reply of him twice so just gave up.
Im lucky enough to have access to a heap of machining equipment at the shop i use so its not that big a deal to do things like frame locks, back spacers new scales and the like.
Only problem is my work shop and all my toys are back in Scotland. Im living in Taiwan just now so i have limited capabilities
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I do all my own work, I did contact STR to see if he could do one for me as i wanted to check out his handy work (many people have had good things to say about his convertions) but i got a "im full up for 3 months" reply of him twice so just gave up.
Im lucky enough to have access to a heap of machining equipment at the shop i use so its not that big a deal to do things like frame locks, back spacers new scales and the like.
Only problem is my work shop and all my toys are back in Scotland. Im living in Taiwan just now so i have limited capabilities
:grumpy:If you really want a particular model frame locked its not hard to get it converted.
It may cost a bit more by the time its all done and dusted but you will be getting the knife you want with the lock you want so its probably worth it.
Im going to be frame locking my TK mini7 when i get my Ti delivered, may do a Persian as well if it all goes smoothly
Very good point, but there are a couple problems with this. First, was already mentioned. It can take a very long time to get someone who does good work to do this for you. Second, and most important to me, is getting this conversion will void the warranty on the blade from emerson, based on what I have heard. It sucks, but what options do you have. I love emersons, but hate linerlocks and dont want to sacrifice the warranty to get the knife that I want.
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You do present a good point regarding warranty but in all the years iv owned EKIs i have never had to exercise my warranty, living over seas it would be a pain in the ass to send it back any way.
If you frame lock a knife there is actually not much to go wrong. As long as its fitted properly and exected to a high standard you are basically renewing the knife and should get many many years of use out of it. Yes you will have lost the warranty but you also shouldnt really need it
All the EKIs iv done for people are still kicking on with no problems. i did my first one about 5 years ago and my cousin still carries that knife every day, its clearly looking a bit beat up but it still works just fine :thumbup:
If you frame lock a knife there is actually not much to go wrong. As long as its fitted properly and exected to a high standard you are basically renewing the knife and should get many many years of use out of it. Yes you will have lost the warranty but you also shouldnt really need it
All the EKIs iv done for people are still kicking on with no problems. i did my first one about 5 years ago and my cousin still carries that knife every day, its clearly looking a bit beat up but it still works just fine
:thumbup:I think you are right. Two of my three emersons need to go back to the factory. The reason for this is due to motion on the liner. But when I put that amount of money into a knife, the warranty is what makes it ok in my mind. I just hope that ernie puts out more models with a framelock.
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I was trying to avoid this thread but I have to mention this. On a vast majority of the EKIs I've built a new lock side for no permanent modifications were done to build a new lock side and stick it on the folder to work with the blade. Here recently with the Commander I had to adjust it to permanently modify it but the owner ok'd this and the knife was basically ready to retire. I did have to permanently modify the two I converted from right handed liner locks to true left handed frame locks also. In all cases the owners ok'd this though.
I can't speak for how other guys may or may not do this when they rebuild one and I should point out that most liner locks are a 7 degree pitch angle contact on the blade where the lock and the blade mate up. Ernie's are not. Most of the EKI's I've had here to examine hover between 10 and 12 degrees and every now and then I get one that appears to be as much as a 15 degree angle based on my measurements. But all of these work for a frame lock contact so you can convert these and leave them alone and they are fine due to the nature of the grip and the hand being there as well as other things. It is not the best contact for a liner lock though so in my opinion these are prime folders for this conversion. When I make a frame lock from scratch I make the contact just like Ernie's liner locks appear to be made. I do mine using a 10" wheel and a 10 degree contact angle. In my opinion this is a better angle for a frame lock than it is a liner lock. Gene Baskett VP of the knife makers Guild does his liner locks using a 10" wheel and a 7 degree contact angle and many other makers do this also. The Buck Strider 881 folders have 7 degree contact angles among many others.
Warranty is not always an issue with a lot of guys doing some of the things you see me and other pimpers doing to production folders but I always try to bring the warranty up and point out that some requests will change the knife and obviosly void the warranty. If this is an issue for you I'd stay away from doing those permanent changes. If a warranty issue came up later and you do your homework right in how you rebuild the lock side all you'd have to do is put it back together as it came from the factory and mail it to the company if something came up outside of your work. If you do it right they won't know its any different than it was when they put it together. Unlike BenchMade you don't void the warranty by taking apart your Emerson to clean it. Some companies are very intolerant and others will work with you. It all depends I guess. Many owners of Emerson knives are left handed and they have had a maker remount the clip for left handed tip up carry or they've done this themselves. That voids the warranty just from doing that because its been modified. Doesn't matter to them if it was done the same way as they'd do it or not. How big a deal that is is really up to the user.
Other than lock wear, (which is the main reason folks want it converted to a frame lock in the first place) there is little that goes wrong with the Emerson folders. Every now and then a pivot screw head strips or gets dinged up or body and clip screws strip out or deform or you lose or deform a washer. All of which the girls at EKI can mail to you after you buy them on the phone. Other than this maybe the blade itself will need a very very rare look see for proper heat treat or finish if you think its not right. The 154CM steel Ernie uses gives him very little in the way of trouble though. Thats one of the reasons he sticks with it. It works. Chances are if you needed a warranty call on the lock there are other guys that would be able to adjust that for you just the same way as Ernie or Diane would at EKI so its not that hard to get it taken care of.
Anyway, thats what I wanted to add to this conversation other than the fact that for hard use I'd prefer a tank built frame lock any day of the week.
STR
I can't speak for how other guys may or may not do this when they rebuild one and I should point out that most liner locks are a 7 degree pitch angle contact on the blade where the lock and the blade mate up. Ernie's are not. Most of the EKI's I've had here to examine hover between 10 and 12 degrees and every now and then I get one that appears to be as much as a 15 degree angle based on my measurements. But all of these work for a frame lock contact so you can convert these and leave them alone and they are fine due to the nature of the grip and the hand being there as well as other things. It is not the best contact for a liner lock though so in my opinion these are prime folders for this conversion. When I make a frame lock from scratch I make the contact just like Ernie's liner locks appear to be made. I do mine using a 10" wheel and a 10 degree contact angle. In my opinion this is a better angle for a frame lock than it is a liner lock. Gene Baskett VP of the knife makers Guild does his liner locks using a 10" wheel and a 7 degree contact angle and many other makers do this also. The Buck Strider 881 folders have 7 degree contact angles among many others.
Warranty is not always an issue with a lot of guys doing some of the things you see me and other pimpers doing to production folders but I always try to bring the warranty up and point out that some requests will change the knife and obviosly void the warranty. If this is an issue for you I'd stay away from doing those permanent changes. If a warranty issue came up later and you do your homework right in how you rebuild the lock side all you'd have to do is put it back together as it came from the factory and mail it to the company if something came up outside of your work. If you do it right they won't know its any different than it was when they put it together. Unlike BenchMade you don't void the warranty by taking apart your Emerson to clean it. Some companies are very intolerant and others will work with you. It all depends I guess. Many owners of Emerson knives are left handed and they have had a maker remount the clip for left handed tip up carry or they've done this themselves. That voids the warranty just from doing that because its been modified. Doesn't matter to them if it was done the same way as they'd do it or not. How big a deal that is is really up to the user.
Other than lock wear, (which is the main reason folks want it converted to a frame lock in the first place) there is little that goes wrong with the Emerson folders. Every now and then a pivot screw head strips or gets dinged up or body and clip screws strip out or deform or you lose or deform a washer. All of which the girls at EKI can mail to you after you buy them on the phone. Other than this maybe the blade itself will need a very very rare look see for proper heat treat or finish if you think its not right. The 154CM steel Ernie uses gives him very little in the way of trouble though. Thats one of the reasons he sticks with it. It works. Chances are if you needed a warranty call on the lock there are other guys that would be able to adjust that for you just the same way as Ernie or Diane would at EKI so its not that hard to get it taken care of.
Anyway, thats what I wanted to add to this conversation other than the fact that for hard use I'd prefer a tank built frame lock any day of the week.
STR
Appreciate the reply STR. I know that I will probably never push my folders to the point that the lock fails, but I really dont feel comfortable when the liner moves from light pressure on the spine of the blade. None of my other folders do this. One of my emersons was fine, but after a year of carry, that liner moves way too much. I dont mind the pivot screw coming a little loose after a while, as it is so easy to simply retighten.