FREAKONOMICS: Counterfeits may help authentic brands. But there is a BIG 'IF'

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FREAKONOMICS: 'Why Knockoffs Can Help Build a Strong Brand'

A two-and-one-half year study by Renee Gosline of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology looked at people who purchase counterfeit luxury items, like handbags and sunglasses, and found that counterfeits do not hurt the sales of luxury brands so long as consumers can distinguish between them. Indeed, Gosline found that counterfeits are often used as “trial versions” of the high-end genuine branded item, with over 40% of counterfeit handbag consumers ultimately purchasing the real brand.

http://freakonomics.com/2012/09/05/why-knockoffs-can-help-a-strong-brand/

Notice the bold: SO LONG AS CONSUMERS CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THEM

This is the problem for the knife industry.. It is very difficult for consumers (especially inexperienced with the particular product) to distinguish between the real thing and the fake.. and the problem will continue to get worse so long as Makers do not implement some kind of system which helps consumers distinguish.

PROPOSED SOLUTION

Here is a possible implementation of a serial number and ownership registry system using the example of the Sebenza:

A. each Sebenza gets a serial number stamped on the handle and/or blade

B. the box contains the birth card and includes the serial # and a authentication #.. And says 'Go to ChrisReeve.com to verify the authenticity of this knife.. You go to ChrisReeve.com and it asks for the serial#, authentication #, birthday, and your email address.. Since only Chris Reeve knows which serial# is tied to which authentication#.. they can immediately verify that the knife is authentic

C. so let's say you want to sell the knife.. You would reenter all the information (including your email address which ties the knife to you).. And have the option to email the authenticity of the knife to any other email address.. so the potential buyer would get an email (from Chris Reeve) with the serial # only and confirmation that the knife is authentic.

D. when you complete the sale you follow a similar process to transfer the knife to a different email address.

The big ordeal would be, how do you retroactively provide authentication for all the existing knives that currently do not have a serial#?.. a possible solution is for Chris Reeve to apply a serial# when people send them in for a Spa treatment... which a lot of sellers do when they want to resell the knife.. buyers would likely pay a premium for an authenticated knife which would provide an incentive for sellers to send them in.

Interested in feedback and suggestions from CRK owners.. believe the knife community should be concerned about this as the quality of the Counterfeits increase, the value of collections diminishes because buyers will start to price in the risk of ending up with a knockoff.
 
You have just outlined the beginnings of a knife registry. Abort abort. Ideas have legs and this one was born to run wild.
 
Why go to all that trouble ? They are wrong in any way shape or form. I don't care what anyone has to say about it, they should simply be stamped out and that is the end of it.

How about all these people actually do something combat the climate that has allowed things to get to the stage of such a wide spread and profitable industry ?
 
Fake is fake and it's wrong. I don't need any study to make it clear in my mind.
 
Fake is fake and it's wrong. I don't need any study to make it clear in my mind.

Not endorsing fakes at all. Have never (knowingly) purchased a Counterfeit and never would because it is wrong.

But the reality is even though we can condemn them.. trying to end counterfeiting is like the Catholic Church trying to end teen pregnancy... ain't never gonna happen.. they aren't going away. Remember going to NYC when I was a kid and seeing vendors selling fake Rolexes and Gucci purses and that was 25 years ago.

So the question is: what can manufacturers like CRK do to reduce the cost to their business and their legitimate customers?
 
I choose to avoid buying counterfeit goods by purchasing through reputable dealers. Works for me.

-Brett
 
I choose to avoid buying counterfeit goods by purchasing through reputable dealers. Works for me.

-Brett

It works for you so long as the reputable dealer doesn't have a unscrupulous employee with unsupervised access to the stock room and/or display cabinets and/or receiving area..
 
It works for you so long as the reputable dealer doesn't have a unscrupulous employee with unsupervised access to the stock room and/or display cabinets and/or receiving area..

I choose to believe that if I order a knife from Plaza or Knifeart i will get what I paid for. That's why I buy from authorized dealers. I guess I can put a tinfoil hat on and second guess every purchase but life is too short for that.
 
I choose to believe that if I order a knife from Plaza or Knifeart i will get what I paid for. That's why I buy from authorized dealers. I guess I can put a tinfoil hat on and second guess every purchase but life is too short for that.

That's what bar owners said before variance analysis was invented.
 
It works for you so long as the reputable dealer doesn't have a unscrupulous employee with unsupervised access to the stock room and/or display cabinets and/or receiving area..

Just how far down the rabbit hole are you willing to go? Any process or product devised by man (no matter how difficult) can be duplicated and/or counterfeited. Even the "solution" you've proposed.

Honestly, if you feel paranoid about buying from an authorized dealer, you could always buy direct from CRK.

-Brett
 
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Any process or product devised by man (no matter how difficult) can be duplicated and/or counterfeited. Even the "solution" you've proposed

-Brett

100 percent agree with you. But, this is no longer a cottage industry and it is mind boggling that a solution has not already been contemplated.

Part of the reason that CRK can charge premium prices is cuz customers have confidence they can resell their knives and recoup a high percentage of the original price paid.. How long before buyers start pricing in the risk?
 
100 percent agree with you. But, this is no longer a cottage industry and it is mind boggling that a solution has not already been contemplated.

Part of the reason that CRK can charge premium prices is cuz customers have confidence they can resell their knives and recoup a high percentage of the original price paid.. How long before buyers start pricing in the risk?

I don't think it's much of a problem. As long as you're not buying your CRK from a shady fella in an alley or whatnot, I think you'll be ok. Anyway, I've said all I can say on the subject. I wish you all the best in everything, OP! :)

Cheers!

-Brett
 
It works for you so long as the reputable dealer doesn't have a unscrupulous employee with unsupervised access to the stock room and/or display cabinets and/or receiving area..

Any person familiar with CRK is not going to be taken by the fakes. Most people here are very familiar with CRK and are going to be able to spot the fakes easily. I have seen what would be reagrded as the "best" ones and they are still easy to spot. If you understand production processes you will understand that it is very hard to get a machined product like that exact, while it's easy enough to get it close....

100 percent agree with you. But, this is no longer a cottage industry and it is mind boggling that a solution has not already been contemplated.

Part of the reason that CRK can charge premium prices is cuz customers have confidence they can resell their knives and recoup a high percentage of the original price paid.. How long before buyers start pricing in the risk?

The fakes have been about for a number of years now and we all know what the red flags are, it's not going to happen as far as I see it.

You seem to be way over thinking this and trying to form solutions to problems that do not exist and problems for solutions that do exist. :)
 
Any person familiar with CRK is not going to be taken by the fakes. Most people here are very familiar with CRK and are going to be able to spot the fakes easily. I have seen what would be reagrded as the "best" ones and they are still easy to spot. If you understand production processes you will understand that it is very hard to get a machined product like that exact, while it's easy enough to get it close....

The fakes have been about for a number of years now and we all know what the red flags are, it's not going to happen as far as I see it.

You seem to be way over thinking this and trying to form solutions to problems that do not exist and problems for solutions that do exist. :)

http://chrisreeve.com/Counterfeits

Chris Reeve acknowledges that the problem is getting much worse as Counterfeits become very realistic.. would draw your attention to the last paragraph on Chris Reeve's own website:

"If you are in doubt, check with us – as far as possible we will authenticate for you."

The modifier 'as far as possible' may indicate that in some cases, Chris Reeve themselves haven't been 100% sure.

And this is why: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_scanner
 
http://chrisreeve.com/Counterfeits

Chris Reeve acknowledges that the problem is getting much worse as Counterfeits become very realistic.. would draw your attention to the last paragraph on Chris Reeve's own website:

"If you are in doubt, check with us – as far as possible we will authenticate for you."

The modifier 'as far as possible' may indicate that in some cases, Chris Reeve themselves haven't been 100% sure.

And this is why: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_scanner

I replied to this when you posted it in a similar sounding thread in general, so I will leave it there;

3D scanners are not new..Coordinate measuring machines are not new..and by the way, if you know how 3d scanners work, then you know they don't necessarily produce the numbers that you need..Especially the cheap ones. THAT takes a far more complicated process that is still imperfect.
 


Could someone please explain the resistance to reality?.. the points being made here are consistent with some of the threads from 2012.. and even Chris Reeve Knives openly acknowledges the problem is getting much worse.
 
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